testudo hermanni hermanni/boettgeri sarda

Cherbert · 14-04-2009, 01:01 AM

Can anyone, please, tell me anything about this subspecies and whether it really exists or is merely being proposed as a distinct subspecies?

Thanks,

Sean

**Alan1** · 11-06-2011, 08:30 AM

Apparently. on the right hand side http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testudo...T._h._hermanni

I take it they are from Sardinia

Ozric Jonathan · 11-06-2011, 04:08 PM

That wiki page is really interesting. To see photos of hermanni hermanni from different areas all together. Until Hermanni Chris brings something out along those lines this might be as good as we're going to get.

I haven't heard of the Hermanni Hermanni Sarda tho' I know they have hermanni hermanni on Sardinia which are not exactly the same as those from elsewhere. I don't know how far you could go with recognising this as a subspecies - I reckon its a regional form of the hermanni.

Havne't been to sardinia but I would love to. I believe they also have marginated. Unless Burlesconi and his mates build villas on the whole thing the island might continue to offer a home to these animals into the future.

**egyptiandan64** · 11-06-2011, 04:28 PM

In the German publication Marginata (I'm not sure which issue off the top of my head) there is an article on the Testudo hermanni hermanni complex. The author proposed, I think 8 new subspecies in the article. As far as I know, none of the new subspecies have been accepted.

Danny

Ozric Jonathan · 11-06-2011, 05:50 PM

I must track down that journal.......

**Alan1** · 11-06-2011, 06:06 PM

The OP has been waiting 2 years for a reply

I came across the post while looking for something else

**egyptiandan64** · 11-06-2011, 06:10 PM

Better late than never Alan

Danny

**Alan1** · 11-06-2011, 10:44 PM

there a book here that appears to be about sardinia, not that one though but still .. http://www.webmart.de/wmshop.cfm?ID=...3060&do=detail

**egyptiandan64** · 12-06-2011, 12:11 AM

Here you go Jonathan

I think it's number 14 http://www.reptilica.co.uk/Marginata...(2_1339).chtml

Danny

Ozric Jonathan · 12-06-2011, 01:52 PM

Thanks Danny I have ordered it. I should brush up my German while I'm waiting for it to arrive!

14-04-2009, 01:01 AM	#1
Cherbert Junior Member Egg Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Donegal, Ireland Posts: 24	testudo hermanni hermanni/boettgeri sarda Can anyone, please, tell me anything about this subspecies and whether it really exists or is merely being proposed as a distinct subspecies? Thanks, Sean __________________ Thb 1.1.0 Thh 1.0.0 There is nothing more sinister than a cross-party consensus. Last edited by Cherbert; 16-04-2009 at 02:46 AM.

11-06-2011, 04:08 PM	#3
Ozric Jonathan Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 4,226	That wiki page is really interesting. To see photos of hermanni hermanni from different areas all together. Until Hermanni Chris brings something out along those lines this might be as good as we're going to get. I haven't heard of the Hermanni Hermanni Sarda tho' I know they have hermanni hermanni on Sardinia which are not exactly the same as those from elsewhere. I don't know how far you could go with recognising this as a subspecies - I reckon its a regional form of the hermanni. Havne't been to sardinia but I would love to. I believe they also have marginated. Unless Burlesconi and his mates build villas on the whole thing the island might continue to offer a home to these animals into the future. __________________ Testudo Hermanni Hermanni (Corse) tortoises

11-06-2011, 04:28 PM	#4
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	In the German publication Marginata (I'm not sure which issue off the top of my head) there is an article on the Testudo hermanni hermanni complex. The author proposed, I think 8 new subspecies in the article. As far as I know, none of the new subspecies have been accepted. Danny __________________

11-06-2011, 05:50 PM	#5
Ozric Jonathan Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 4,226	I must track down that journal....... __________________ Testudo Hermanni Hermanni (Corse) tortoises

11-06-2011, 06:10 PM	#7
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Better late than never Alan Danny __________________

11-06-2011, 08:30 AM	#2
Alan1 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sunny Scotland Posts: 21,512	Apparently. on the right hand side http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testudo...T._h._hermanni I take it they are from Sardinia

11-06-2011, 06:06 PM	#6
Alan1 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sunny Scotland Posts: 21,512	The OP has been waiting 2 years for a reply I came across the post while looking for something else

11-06-2011, 10:44 PM	#8
Alan1 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sunny Scotland Posts: 21,512	there a book here that appears to be about sardinia, not that one though but still .. http://www.webmart.de/wmshop.cfm?ID=...3060&do=detail

12-06-2011, 12:11 AM	#9
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Here you go Jonathan I think it's number 14 http://www.reptilica.co.uk/Marginata...(2_1339).chtml Danny __________________

12-06-2011, 01:52 PM	#10
Ozric Jonathan Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 4,226	Thanks Danny I have ordered it. I should brush up my German while I'm waiting for it to arrive! __________________ Testudo Hermanni Hermanni (Corse) tortoises

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