Hermann's???

MantidMan · 16-10-2010, 07:45 PM

Hi & Hello

I've joined up here in the hope that someone can shed some light on an ID problem.

Basically, a friend of mine emailed my some photos of their 2 torts that they bought last year. Apparently they were bought as Hermann's, and they have the A10 certificates for both. However they are now not sure if what they have are both Hermann's?? They are both coming up for 2 years old. They believe that maybe the larger of the 2 is in fact a Marginated?

I only have a Horsfield, so am not sure whether they are right. I do know that the larger one has, by the look of it, been over fed and probably fed the wrong foods looking at the coning.

Anyway, here's the photos.

This is the smaller one

And the larger

Thanks for any help

MantidMan · 16-10-2010, 07:53 PM

Thanks for moving

**egyptiandan64** · 16-10-2010, 07:54 PM

They are both Hermanns and look to be Testudo hermanni boettgeri. The smaller one is a male and the larger one a female.

Your Welcome

Danny

MantidMan · 16-10-2010, 07:57 PM

Thanks for that quick reply

Would you agree that the larger one looks over-fed and maybe not fed correctly?

ziggy's owner · 16-10-2010, 08:01 PM

I agree with danny lol

**egyptiandan64** · 16-10-2010, 08:07 PM

She's a bit pyramided, but not bad. She has at least the normal domed shell and not a flat shell like some tortoises that weren't fed well. It shouldn't bother her any in the long run, especially if her diet is better now.

Danny

MantidMan · 16-10-2010, 08:11 PM

Ok...thanks for your help.

I shall ring me friend and put their mind at rest. I'll speak to them about the diet too. I had no idea they even had torts lol

vickiv · 27-10-2010, 10:28 AM

I posted photos a while back of my tortoise asking if it was a tunisian spur thighed. I got told yes but he is identical to these and you are a saying herman?

**egyptiandan64** · 27-10-2010, 02:26 PM

That's because your tortoise doesn't look like these tortoises really

What your seeing is just a superficial resemblence between the 2. Hermanns have nails on the ends of their tails and Spur-thighs don't. Spur-thighs have spurs on their thighs and Hermanns don't. Hermanns almost always have divided supracaudal scutes (the big scute over the tail) and Spur-thighs hardly ever do.
It does take a bit of practice to tell the 2 apart, but it can be done if you look close and pay attention to details.

Danny

**Alan1** · 27-10-2010, 03:49 PM

I wasn't sure exactly but thought the little one was a hermann and the other was an ibera or something else

I think I could definitely tell a horsfield from anything else though

16-10-2010, 07:45 PM	#1
MantidMan Junior Member Egg Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4	Hermann's??? Hi & Hello I've joined up here in the hope that someone can shed some light on an ID problem. Basically, a friend of mine emailed my some photos of their 2 torts that they bought last year. Apparently they were bought as Hermann's, and they have the A10 certificates for both. However they are now not sure if what they have are both Hermann's?? They are both coming up for 2 years old. They believe that maybe the larger of the 2 is in fact a Marginated? I only have a Horsfield, so am not sure whether they are right. I do know that the larger one has, by the look of it, been over fed and probably fed the wrong foods looking at the coning. Anyway, here's the photos. This is the smaller one And the larger Thanks for any help

16-10-2010, 07:54 PM	#3
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	They are both Hermanns and look to be Testudo hermanni boettgeri. The smaller one is a male and the larger one a female. Your Welcome Danny __________________

16-10-2010, 08:01 PM	#5
ziggy's owner Senior Member Adult Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: west midlands Posts: 4,152	I agree with danny lol __________________ 2.0.0 spur thighs 2.3.0 hermanns 2.1.1 marginated 0.0.4 leopard 2.8.0 guinea pigs 1.2.0 Springers 1.0.0 hamster 0.0.1 Blue Tongue skink 2.2.0 Beardies And tropical fish Also have baby marginated tortoises for sale

16-10-2010, 08:07 PM	#6
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	She's a bit pyramided, but not bad. She has at least the normal domed shell and not a flat shell like some tortoises that weren't fed well. It shouldn't bother her any in the long run, especially if her diet is better now. Danny __________________

27-10-2010, 10:28 AM	#8
vickiv Junior Member Egg Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 16	Confused I posted photos a while back of my tortoise asking if it was a tunisian spur thighed. I got told yes but he is identical to these and you are a saying herman?

16-10-2010, 07:53 PM	#2
MantidMan Junior Member Egg Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4	Thanks for moving

16-10-2010, 07:57 PM	#4
MantidMan Junior Member Egg Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4	Thanks for that quick reply Would you agree that the larger one looks over-fed and maybe not fed correctly?

16-10-2010, 08:11 PM	#7
MantidMan Junior Member Egg Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4	Ok...thanks for your help. I shall ring me friend and put their mind at rest. I'll speak to them about the diet too. I had no idea they even had torts lol

27-10-2010, 02:26 PM	#9
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	That's because your tortoise doesn't look like these tortoises really What your seeing is just a superficial resemblence between the 2. Hermanns have nails on the ends of their tails and Spur-thighs don't. Spur-thighs have spurs on their thighs and Hermanns don't. Hermanns almost always have divided supracaudal scutes (the big scute over the tail) and Spur-thighs hardly ever do. It does take a bit of practice to tell the 2 apart, but it can be done if you look close and pay attention to details. Danny __________________

27-10-2010, 03:49 PM	#10
Alan1 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sunny Scotland Posts: 21,512	I wasn't sure exactly but thought the little one was a hermann and the other was an ibera or something else I think I could definitely tell a horsfield from anything else though

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