what are they??

[newtortoises]

Not my tortoises but i am concerned for their welfare
He has no set up for them i am hoping someone on here would tell me what breed they are I just interested
Maybe someone from here could save them?
https://www.gumtree.com/p/reptiles/b...ns-/1160577633

admin please delete if not allowed

[Ozric Jonathan]

Hi there. I think these will be one or other of the Testudo Gracea tortoises.

http://www.britishcheloniagroup.org.uk/caresheets/spur

The babies in the gumtree advert might be any of the 4 recognised subspecies. Some members on this forum might be able to identify them.

To state the obvious it's irresponsible for anyone to accept into their care any tortoises that they are not in a position to look after properly.

There is a post here by the admins that covers the question of posting links such as this.

http://www.shelledwarriors.co.uk/for...ad.php?t=71396


Sadly there are large numbers of tortoises on gumtree, preloved and other sites which are in need of proper care. In the case of some of these adverts, the owners of the animals being advertised would be prosecuted if they had a dog and were making such a bad job of it. It seems different standards apply when it comes to tortoises.

[sandy]

Originally Posted by newtortoises

Not my tortoises but i am concerned for their welfare
He has no set up for them i am hoping someone on here would tell me what breed they are I just interested
Maybe someone from here could save them?
https://www.gumtree.com/p/reptiles/b...ns-/1160577633

admin please delete if not allowed

They do look like Graeca graeca but still a little small to be sure. Definitely not ibera.

[Gordon]

Look like baby burmese browns to me.
Ok put my specks on now Def not browns possibly morrocan.

[4chester]

They aren't young Burmese Browns

[JerryMaffz]

"Atlas Mountain Tortoise" is what the local sellers in Morocco call the Graeca's they illegally pedal to tourists. If these are UK bred as stated, the certs would not say "Atlas Mountain Tortoise". My guess is...no certs.

[Jan W]

Originally Posted by Ozric Jonathan

Hi there. I think these will be one or other of the Testudo Gracea tortoises.

http://www.britishcheloniagroup.org.uk/caresheets/spur

The babies in the gumtree advert might be any of the 4 recognised subspecies. Some members on this forum might be able to identify them.

To state the obvious it's irresponsible for anyone to accept into their care any tortoises that they are not in a position to look after properly.

There is a post here by the admins that covers the question of posting links such as this.

http://www.shelledwarriors.co.uk/for...ad.php?t=71396


Sadly there are large numbers of tortoises on gumtree, preloved and other sites which are in need of proper care. In the case of some of these adverts, the owners of the animals being advertised would be prosecuted if they had a dog and were making such a bad job of it. It seems different standards apply when it comes to tortoises.

Interestingly I learnt today that DEFRA are reviewing the current animal related licensing schemes, concentrating on the sale and trading of pets. The legislation, Pet Animals Act , hasn't been updated since 1951. This was all referred to by the RSPCA in their latest magazine. They would like DEFRA to provide regulations with species-specific codes of practice. The main article was called 'the rise of the dragon' referring to exotic pets and reptiles. There is obviously concern over internet sales.

I will have a look at the DEFRA site sometime.

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by Jan W

Interestingly I learnt today that DEFRA are reviewing the current animal related licensing schemes, concentrating on the sale and trading of pets. The legislation, Pet Animals Act , hasn't been updated since 1951. This was all referred to by the RSPCA in their latest magazine. They would like DEFRA to provide regulations with species-specific codes of practice. The main article was called 'the rise of the dragon' referring to exotic pets and reptiles. There is obviously concern over internet sales.

I will have a look at the DEFRA site sometime.

Something needs doing but not sure how they would go about it when people knowingly sell hermans etc as horsfields. If they were to put horsfields on the same list as hermans and they all needed an article 10 that might help a bit but I doubt it.

[Gordon]

Well I had an email back from Abdul and suprise suprise he has NO paperwork for them.

[JerryMaffz]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Well I had an email back from Abdul and suprise suprise he has NO paperwork for them.

Yes, me too. He told me they are a birthday present from a 'friend'.