buying a tortoise abroad - Page 2

EJ · 15-10-2007, 04:29 PM

Thanks for my morning giggle but you do bring up a point...

Some people use the term 'imported' as a derogatory term... that is my point. If the tortoise is captive born and bred should it matter where or which country it comes from.

[quote=Tamie Milne]

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Originally Posted by "EJ"So now... unless it is bred in the UK it is an import????? [/quote

Well of course it is, simple as really! If something/anything comes into the UK from another country it is IMPORTED and therefore an import. Hardly rocket science.

Tamie

helen1 · 15-10-2007, 04:36 PM

Only my understanding, of course, but an import is something that is legitimately brought into another country as trade i.e. to sell...

So if the person who posted buys a tort in germany to bring home as a pet it is not an import.

**Eire_Ade** · 15-10-2007, 04:43 PM

All of my tortoises were purchased in the UK and I have brought them to Ireland via ferry in my car.

My golden greek was a Ukraine CB country of origin, my rehomer was Slovinian CB and the remainder are UK CB.

I use plastic stackable storage containers when collecting or moving my tortoises and they travel fine on the back seat of the car with the safety belt through the box.

Ade

Tamie Milne · 15-10-2007, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helen1

Only my understanding, of course, but an import is something that is legitimately brought into another country as trade i.e. to sell...

So if the person who posted buys a tort in germany to bring home as a pet it is not an import.

'Import' - means "bring, introduce, (thing.esp goods from another country, into)" [ Oxford dictionary ] - regardless of whether it be legitimate or for trade purposes.

Therefore, if someone brings a tortoise into this country from Germany it IS an import and given "import licenses" are required for certain species then surely there is no doubt.

Tamie

Jason1 · 15-10-2007, 04:48 PM

If you want to a buy a tortoise from germany then go for it. ok so the journey home may be stressful but you have complete control. the tortoise can be placed in a box packed with soft bedding and when you get home it will probably just think its had a long sleep and maybe need a drink. I dont understand the difference between bringing tortoise in on a plane from Jersey or Germany. Just a slightly longer flight thats all. To be honest I wasn't sure whether it would be classed as an import either but as long as it's captive bred you should have a very healthly tortoise. The jet lag should wear off within a week or so. LOL

Jason

**Eire_Ade** · 15-10-2007, 04:54 PM

I have only had to get a new Article 10 for the golden greek when she was microchipped so I had my details and her chip id number put onto an atricle 10 issued by the Irish equivalent of DEFRA who had the article 10 I got with her, but this wasnt the original as she came from the Ukraine and I had a UK cert for her.

I hope this makes sense.

To me all of my tortoises are imported, the fact that their country of origin is not Ireland.

Ade

helen1 · 15-10-2007, 05:07 PM

My understanding..........i think... I said, however as to be pedantic is the order of the day..chuckle..

I too reached for my dictionary...New Oxford... both as a verb with an object and as a noun, its states specifically "for sale".

Ah well it is of no matter we all interpret to suit.

If the tort is healthy and you want it go for it. It will have a story to tell.

**Eire_Ade** · 15-10-2007, 05:15 PM

Is this going to be one of them threads that goes on and on and round and round in circles, I hope not otherwise we know whats gonna happen!!!!!!

I think the orignal question has had a reasonable response, I for one have given an acurate account of how my tortoises came to Ireland from another country all be it from the UK, just beware if you do bring them from another country yourself you will need to carry the article 10 with you in case you are stopped at port security and asked for them otherwise the animals will be seized as suspicion of illegally importing them into the country.

Ade

Tamie Milne · 15-10-2007, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helen1

My understanding..........i think... I said, however as to be pedantic is the order of the day..chuckle..

I too reached for my dictionary...New Oxford... both as a verb with an object and as a noun, its states specifically "for sale".

Ah well it is of no matter we all interpret to suit.

If the tort is healthy and you want it go for it. It will have a story to tell.

I disagree - I do not interpret to suit.

An import is something that is brought into this country regardless of trade.

We can all 'chuckle' and be 'pedantic'

Tamie

**sarah** · 15-10-2007, 05:19 PM

There are plently of breeders in the UK of CB tortoises no need to go aboard and get one.

15-10-2007, 04:36 PM	#12
helen1 Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NORTH WEST Posts: 1,977	Only my understanding, of course, but an import is something that is legitimately brought into another country as trade i.e. to sell... So if the person who posted buys a tort in germany to bring home as a pet it is not an import. __________________ I CARE FOR TORTS

15-10-2007, 04:43 PM	#13
Eire_Ade Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 8,422	All of my tortoises were purchased in the UK and I have brought them to Ireland via ferry in my car. My golden greek was a Ukraine CB country of origin, my rehomer was Slovinian CB and the remainder are UK CB. I use plastic stackable storage containers when collecting or moving my tortoises and they travel fine on the back seat of the car with the safety belt through the box. Ade __________________ Ade ----------------------------------------------- Y.O.B 1971 (40 years young! ) My Tortoises :- Dug (Testudo Graeca Ibera Terrestris (Syrian), Penny, JJ (JennyJack), Buttons and Gem (Testudo Graeca Ibera)

15-10-2007, 04:54 PM	#16
Eire_Ade Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 8,422	I have only had to get a new Article 10 for the golden greek when she was microchipped so I had my details and her chip id number put onto an atricle 10 issued by the Irish equivalent of DEFRA who had the article 10 I got with her, but this wasnt the original as she came from the Ukraine and I had a UK cert for her. I hope this makes sense. To me all of my tortoises are imported, the fact that their country of origin is not Ireland. Ade __________________ Ade ----------------------------------------------- Y.O.B 1971 (40 years young! ) My Tortoises :- Dug (Testudo Graeca Ibera Terrestris (Syrian), Penny, JJ (JennyJack), Buttons and Gem (Testudo Graeca Ibera)

15-10-2007, 05:07 PM	#17
helen1 Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NORTH WEST Posts: 1,977	My understanding..........i think... I said, however as to be pedantic is the order of the day..chuckle.. I too reached for my dictionary...New Oxford... both as a verb with an object and as a noun, its states specifically "for sale". Ah well it is of no matter we all interpret to suit. If the tort is healthy and you want it go for it. It will have a story to tell. __________________ I CARE FOR TORTS

15-10-2007, 05:15 PM	#18
Eire_Ade Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 8,422	Is this going to be one of them threads that goes on and on and round and round in circles, I hope not otherwise we know whats gonna happen!!!!!! I think the orignal question has had a reasonable response, I for one have given an acurate account of how my tortoises came to Ireland from another country all be it from the UK, just beware if you do bring them from another country yourself you will need to carry the article 10 with you in case you are stopped at port security and asked for them otherwise the animals will be seized as suspicion of illegally importing them into the country. Ade __________________ Ade ----------------------------------------------- Y.O.B 1971 (40 years young! ) My Tortoises :- Dug (Testudo Graeca Ibera Terrestris (Syrian), Penny, JJ (JennyJack), Buttons and Gem (Testudo Graeca Ibera)

15-10-2007, 04:48 PM	#15
Jason1 Member Hatched Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lancashire Posts: 405	If you want to a buy a tortoise from germany then go for it. ok so the journey home may be stressful but you have complete control. the tortoise can be placed in a box packed with soft bedding and when you get home it will probably just think its had a long sleep and maybe need a drink. I dont understand the difference between bringing tortoise in on a plane from Jersey or Germany. Just a slightly longer flight thats all. To be honest I wasn't sure whether it would be classed as an import either but as long as it's captive bred you should have a very healthly tortoise. The jet lag should wear off within a week or so. LOL Jason

15-10-2007, 05:19 PM	#20
sarah Administrator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newcastle-Under-Lyme Posts: 11,914	There are plently of breeders in the UK of CB tortoises no need to go aboard and get one. __________________ Click: www.shelledwarriorsshop.co.uk STRUGGLING TO FIND WEEDS? LOOK AT OUR DRIED WEEDS 'READY TO FEED' Home of 'Grow Your Own Food' Bearded Dragon, Tortoise, Rabbit, Hamster seed mixes from 89p FREE POST Livefood, Thermostats, Housing, Heating, Mercury Vapour bulbs, UVB etc etc CHEAP PRICES TORTOISES ARE MY PASSION

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