[dead] after hibernation?

[Herpard]

How is he now Jemma?

[MiShelley]

That's awful Jemma, I've got my fingers crossed for you and hope he gets better. x

[suttysue]

oh Sweety what a nightnare for you & most of all Pumpkin. I realy hope he pulls through.
sue

[EJ]

I'm not going to put any salt on the wound... sorry it happened.

[Jemma1]

I think it must have been what danny said i feel so to blame. I normally leave them longer after waking before bathing them, i normally wake them in the evening then bath the next day, but as i noticed the fridge dropped at around 11am i just worried and put them in the bath too soon after waking them. The others could obvioulsly handle it, but this is the only thing i can think that could be to blame for it

He is still the same at the moment, but is keeping his head tucked in

[Bindi]

Jemma, if it was what Dan suggested, and I'm inclined to think that he could be right, try not to beat yourself up over it. Take it as a learning curve. A very harsh one I know, and I'm so sorry that it's happened, but you posting about your experience may well save another tortoise.

I really hope Pumpkin pulls through, you 're doing all you can sweetie xxx

[Jemma1]

Thank you Bindi and everyone. He has opened one eye, and is shuffling around a bit now. Still looks very confused and weak.. but its improvement!

[EJ]

I don't think so. It was stressed before what you did. Think about it... you had 2 others under the exact same conditions...

This is what I don't understand... unless you are looking a breeding them... why submit your pets to the process?

As long as it is breathing it has a chance.

If you want to take blame... ask why did you hibernate in the first place.

(i know folks are going to think i'm trying to turn this into a 'hibernation' debate... not so... look at the basic situation)

Originally Posted by Jemma1

I think it must have been what danny said i feel so to blame. I normally leave them longer after waking before bathing them, i normally wake them in the evening then bath the next day, but as i noticed the fridge dropped at around 11am i just worried and put them in the bath too soon after waking them. The others could obvioulsly handle it, but this is the only thing i can think that could be to blame for it

He is still the same at the moment, but is keeping his head tucked in

[Jemma1]

Originally Posted by EJ

I don't think so. It was stressed before what you did. Think about it... you had 2 others under the exact same conditions...

This is what I don't understand... unless you are looking a breeding them... why submit your pets to the process?

As long as it is breathing it has a chance.

If you want to take blame... ask why did you hibernate in the first place.

(i know folks are going to think i'm trying to turn this into a 'hibernation' debate... not so... look at the basic situation)

Hibernation isnt just about the risks though is it. I have 15 tortoises, which prove very expensive to feed and heat during the winter, so a short break which should be perfectly natural for them shouldnt be a problem.

If they werent hibernating, they would be in their inside enclosures for the 12 weeks they were down, which i dont like seeing when they should be outside in the open when possible.

This tortoise i have had from hatchling 7 years ago and i have hibernated since he was 1 with no troubles, and he was infact the male i was planning to use to breed in the future in that respect.

I think i must have done wrong with waking them up, and did doubt it at the time. Very steep learning curve for me, but i don't regret hibernating.

He is doing even better now, one of his eyes are open and he is shuffling around.

So there is hope

[EJ]

Hibernation is totally about the unnecessary risk.

Let me put this in perspective from my point of view... I hibernate species that are not thought to hibernate in the wild... It is still an unnecessary risk.

Originally Posted by Jemma1

Hibernation isnt just about the risks though is it. I have 15 tortoises, which prove very expensive to feed and heat during the winter, so a short break which should be perfectly natural for them shouldnt be a problem.

If they werent hibernating, they would be in their inside enclosures for the 12 weeks they were down, which i dont like seeing when they should be outside in the open when possible.

This tortoise i have had from hatchling 7 years ago and i have hibernated since he was 1 with no troubles, and he was infact the male i was planning to use to breed in the future in that respect.

I think i must have done wrong with waking them up, and did doubt it at the time. Very steep learning curve for me, but i don't regret hibernating.

He is doing even better now, one of his eyes are open and he is shuffling around.

So there is hope