could u please id my tortoises

helsbells · 24-01-2010, 10:31 AM

Hi was wondering could u please id my 3 tortoises on their licences its got them as Hermanni Hermanni many thanks
Helen

helsbells · 24-01-2010, 10:37 AM

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swad1000 · 24-01-2010, 10:38 AM

A10 usually just list species, Testudo hermanni. Not what sub species they are.

helsbells · 24-01-2010, 10:39 AM

The 1st 2 photos are Milly, The next 2 photos are Tilly and the last 2 photos are Willy

alice_boots · 24-01-2010, 11:12 AM

Hmmm.... I'm no expert at iding sub species, but I think you are most probably right and they are Hermanni Hermanni.

Henry-flash · 24-01-2010, 12:38 PM

I would disagree, In my opinion they are T.h.boettgeri.

**Alan1** · 24-01-2010, 12:43 PM

I think my A10 lists the sub species.. THB

**Alan1** · 24-01-2010, 12:52 PM

I would say the first one and last one are Hermanni Hermanni and the 2nd one possibly might be. I'd also say female, female, male. WARNING I am not an expert

Hermanni Chris has this to say about THH...

The western Hermann’s tortoise (Testudo hermanni hermanni) considered the nominate race, is the smaller and rarer subspecies. These animals typically attain smaller dimensions than their cousins and appear more attractive as well. The ground color they exhibit is a rich golden yellow to bright greenish yellow bordered by jet black bars, bands or blotches usually covering more than 50% of the carapace. There is a well defined “keyhole” symbol on the 5th vertebral scute just above the supracaudal shield and it is present in more than 95% of the animals I have observed. The head is rather snake or lizard like in appearance and is sleeker than the heads of the other subspecies. A bright yellow fleck or spot is clearly visible underneath and just behind each eye and this is present in almost all animals except for extremely old ones. The skin color resembles that of the carapace’s ground color but is usually darker and drabber. On the plastron there are two longitudinal jet black bands that are well formed and are only broken on the gular and anal scutes in some cases. The seam between the femoral scutes on the plastron is longer than that of the seam between the pectorals but in certain instances they can appear even. Rarely is the pectoral seam longer than the femoral. Females rarely exceed six inches while males may never surpass four; however larger examples have been recorded. The western Hermann’s tortoise is also known for being rounder and more domed in appearance when compared to the other subspecies. These animals are very rare in collections in the USA and finding pure bred specimens can prove to be quite difficult. They are no longer imported.

bruce75 · 24-01-2010, 12:56 PM

i would say t.h.b aswell for all

swad1000 · 24-01-2010, 12:58 PM

They look very similar in markings to my two, who have been identified as THB, but I always get these things wrong.

24-01-2010, 10:31 AM	#1
helsbells Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southampton Posts: 726	could u please id my tortoises Hi was wondering could u please id my 3 tortoises on their licences its got them as Hermanni Hermanni many thanks Helen

24-01-2010, 10:37 AM	#2
helsbells Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southampton Posts: 726	[IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]

24-01-2010, 11:12 AM	#5
alice_boots Member Incubating Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 214	Hmmm.... I'm no expert at iding sub species, but I think you are most probably right and they are Hermanni Hermanni. __________________ Alice 1 Hermanns tortoise (Herman) 1 Newfoundland dog (Indy) 3 cats (Jack, Freddie, Bobby) 3 chickens (Dolly, Penny, Mabel) 1 hamster (Tristan)

24-01-2010, 12:38 PM	#6
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	I would disagree, In my opinion they are T.h.boettgeri. __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

24-01-2010, 12:52 PM	#8
Alan1 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sunny Scotland Posts: 21,512	I would say the first one and last one are Hermanni Hermanni and the 2nd one possibly might be. I'd also say female, female, male. WARNING I am not an expert Hermanni Chris has this to say about THH... The western Hermann’s tortoise (Testudo hermanni hermanni) considered the nominate race, is the smaller and rarer subspecies. These animals typically attain smaller dimensions than their cousins and appear more attractive as well. The ground color they exhibit is a rich golden yellow to bright greenish yellow bordered by jet black bars, bands or blotches usually covering more than 50% of the carapace. There is a well defined “keyhole” symbol on the 5th vertebral scute just above the supracaudal shield and it is present in more than 95% of the animals I have observed. The head is rather snake or lizard like in appearance and is sleeker than the heads of the other subspecies. A bright yellow fleck or spot is clearly visible underneath and just behind each eye and this is present in almost all animals except for extremely old ones. The skin color resembles that of the carapace’s ground color but is usually darker and drabber. On the plastron there are two longitudinal jet black bands that are well formed and are only broken on the gular and anal scutes in some cases. The seam between the femoral scutes on the plastron is longer than that of the seam between the pectorals but in certain instances they can appear even. Rarely is the pectoral seam longer than the femoral. Females rarely exceed six inches while males may never surpass four; however larger examples have been recorded. The western Hermann’s tortoise is also known for being rounder and more domed in appearance when compared to the other subspecies. These animals are very rare in collections in the USA and finding pure bred specimens can prove to be quite difficult. They are no longer imported. Last edited by Alan1; 24-01-2010 at 12:56 PM.

24-01-2010, 10:38 AM	#3
swad1000 Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,702	A10 usually just list species, Testudo hermanni. Not what sub species they are.

24-01-2010, 10:39 AM	#4
helsbells Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southampton Posts: 726	The 1st 2 photos are Milly, The next 2 photos are Tilly and the last 2 photos are Willy

24-01-2010, 12:43 PM	#7
Alan1 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sunny Scotland Posts: 21,512	I think my A10 lists the sub species.. THB

24-01-2010, 12:56 PM	#9
bruce75 Member Incubating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: caithness Posts: 169	i would say t.h.b aswell for all

24-01-2010, 12:58 PM	#10
swad1000 Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,702	They look very similar in markings to my two, who have been identified as THB, but I always get these things wrong.

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