RNS and antibiotics - Page 2

Jan W · 26-02-2016, 08:26 PM

I hope things are better today.

I suppose the problem is it is just like humans, RNS can be caused by so many things and infections are not just caused by bacteria. Most of the infections are viral, sometimes fungal, and of course antibiotics do not work. There is a lot of work being done with the vets at the moment as everyone is so worried about the resistance to antibiotics and how we are running out. There are national research projects looking into all this that includes farming too. Sadly antibiotics were used as growth promoters so caused many problems.

I have no idea about Tortoise temperatures. Do they get a rise in temperature when they get an infection? How is it measured?

In humans raised temperatures are a good marker of infection.

All very difficult I think. I don't fancy having to do nasal flushing, sounds very tricky. All that fluid. The nebuliser sounds OK. I think I have been very lucky with mine so far. Really appreciate all the sharing on this.

Suze65 · 10-03-2016, 04:26 PM

Well the nasal flushing was a waste of time, so this week I have been nebulising Tatiana, with F10, and this seems to be working, after the first day lots of gloop came out of her nose, and yesterday she sounded so much better, no crackly noise, and her nares look nice and clear. I will keep doing this for a few more days. It's seems using a nebuliser and F10 is the way to go.

Gordon · 10-03-2016, 04:31 PM

Suze65 · 10-03-2016, 05:21 PM

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And....... What's so funny !

Gordon · 10-03-2016, 05:54 PM

Lol I new it wouldn't work.

Suze65 · 10-03-2016, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordon

Lol I new it wouldn't work.

Well I had to give it a go. And I fact the nebulising does seem to be working. And if you look at Emma's thread about zoo vets, they say exactly as my vet said to me, they no longer give out antibiotics quite as quickly these days, because of over use, and the problems this has now caused. And if you can treat something without antibiotics, then I think we have to.

Gordon · 10-03-2016, 06:47 PM

But how can it do any good flushing out the nares surley if there is any sort of baktiria and the tort swallows it that's going to make things worse.

sandy · 10-03-2016, 07:32 PM

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But how can it do any good flushing out the nares surley if there is any sort of baktiria and the tort swallows it that's going to make things worse.

They flush childrens noses to help clear them:0)

Jan W · 11-03-2016, 05:11 PM

Flushing will remove some micro-organisms but probably damage them too as affects the environment.

I don't know enough about tortoise stomach, but a human's would kill most of the bugs because of the acid.

All micro-organisms thrive in different environments ie damp, dry. So the ones that cause problems in the respiratory tract like it there.

CherryBrandy · 11-03-2016, 05:29 PM

suze , how fantastic she is on the mend ! I must admit I will never do flushing again. both times I have lost precious little ones. Their lungs must just be so small I don't trust it at all.... love F10 - use it for everything, and guinea pigs and me for proper 'vet' type scrub on the hands. If I had a middle name it wouldn't be Lydia (thank -you mum) it would be F10. CB

10-03-2016, 04:26 PM	#12
Suze65 Senior Member Adult Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,769	Well the nasal flushing was a waste of time, so this week I have been nebulising Tatiana, with F10, and this seems to be working, after the first day lots of gloop came out of her nose, and yesterday she sounded so much better, no crackly noise, and her nares look nice and clear. I will keep doing this for a few more days. It's seems using a nebuliser and F10 is the way to go. __________________ Suze. 3 THB, Sammy, Jemima, & Phoebe 7 Marginated, Tabitha, Ptolome, Tatiana, Noah,Lottey, Lulu & Poppy 1 TGG (Emma) RIP Feb 2012

11-03-2016, 05:11 PM	#19
Jan W Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Hampshire Posts: 1,400	Flushing will remove some micro-organisms but probably damage them too as affects the environment. I don't know enough about tortoise stomach, but a human's would kill most of the bugs because of the acid. All micro-organisms thrive in different environments ie damp, dry. So the ones that cause problems in the respiratory tract like it there. __________________ Jan Horsfields - Bertie & Beatrice

11-03-2016, 05:29 PM	#20
CherryBrandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: SE England Posts: 4,262	suze , how fantastic she is on the mend ! I must admit I will never do flushing again. both times I have lost precious little ones. Their lungs must just be so small I don't trust it at all.... love F10 - use it for everything, and guinea pigs and me for proper 'vet' type scrub on the hands. If I had a middle name it wouldn't be Lydia (thank -you mum) it would be F10. CB __________________ Horsfields, Spur Thighed, & Marginata

26-02-2016, 08:26 PM	#11
Jan W Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Hampshire Posts: 1,400	I hope things are better today. I suppose the problem is it is just like humans, RNS can be caused by so many things and infections are not just caused by bacteria. Most of the infections are viral, sometimes fungal, and of course antibiotics do not work. There is a lot of work being done with the vets at the moment as everyone is so worried about the resistance to antibiotics and how we are running out. There are national research projects looking into all this that includes farming too. Sadly antibiotics were used as growth promoters so caused many problems. I have no idea about Tortoise temperatures. Do they get a rise in temperature when they get an infection? How is it measured? In humans raised temperatures are a good marker of infection. All very difficult I think. I don't fancy having to do nasal flushing, sounds very tricky. All that fluid. The nebuliser sounds OK. I think I have been very lucky with mine so far. Really appreciate all the sharing on this.

10-03-2016, 04:31 PM	#13
Gordon Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,675

10-03-2016, 05:54 PM	#15
Gordon Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,675	Lol I new it wouldn't work.

10-03-2016, 06:47 PM	#17
Gordon Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,675	But how can it do any good flushing out the nares surley if there is any sort of baktiria and the tort swallows it that's going to make things worse.

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