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I wouldn't have thought she should be sitting in cold water. Can you just put the water in when you want her to soak? I don't leave water down for mine but put them in a dish twice a day. I know mine are outside but if I leave water out in the run, the world and his wife fly down and bathe and poo in it! So I just bathe them when I decide, that way they are in clean, warm water.
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I guess all that studying AH is doing for nothing. It would seem that keepers know better than the kept.
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On a side note. Read the early posts of the guy who is doing the recommending of the extreme humidity. You will see that he has only been keeping tortoises for a couple of years yet claims to have been keeping tortoises for over 20 years. All of which are lies. He has used this false info to convince people that they need to listen to him. Just read his first few posts its all you need to know.
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Are you that insecure that you have to attack a person who has been keeping Leopards way longer than you???????
I constantly wonder where you came from? You were totally unknown before the internet... which is not that long ago. Both me and Richard have been keeping Leopards before then... Richard has been keeping them before me. Again... you can throw a group of any tortoise together in an ideal climate and breed them. That is not understanding the breeding and development of the animal. Where you really understand the animal is raising and breeding them in an environment that is totally different to where they originate. You have some serious insecurity issues. I find myself falling to these issues on occasions. Richard did not come up with the humididy idea alone. There were a few keepers who had the same idea which has to make you wonder... again... these ideas came up before the internet. This medium only spread it wider. I can't believe the crap you are spouting... Are you loosing it??????? I keep telling myself not to develop a god complex that some keepers seem to project. Yes... I do fall into that trap on occasion but it is usually in response to some ignorant people who really don't understand the basic biology of a reptile. Quote:
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First of all.. your question of "Am I that insecure" Answer "I am not the man in this conversation who is 5'6". Second. I am not attacking Richard Fife. Read Kellys reply... she knows who I am attacking. (Blushing) I am flattered that you constantly wonder where I came from. I could not care less about you. Nice of your ego to tie yourself in with Richard Fife. Again.. I was not attacking Richard. Actually, I helped Richard with the purchase of one of his frist male leopards from Chris at Reptile Haven years and years ago. He was with I believe Charles Henderson from the San Diego Zoo, who like you, was raising sulcatas by the hundreds in San Diego. So, now you know how far back I go. I never published a book on tortoise if thats what you mean, but I did help Philippe on occasion with "The Vivarium" mostly with brookesia.perarmata. Where you really understand the animal is raising and breeding them in an environment that is totally different to where they originate. Thanks for the above comment Ed, but just to let you know, Leopard tortoises are the widest ranging tortoise in Africa. From sub Sahara to the Cape. Last I checked that is a large area that has many climate zones. Which one do your refer to???? Twice you suggest insecurities. look in the mirror. What crap am I spouting? Refute or shut the hell up. You have to keep telling yourself not to develop a "god" complex? LOL time to put the ego to bed or switch beverages. Again. I was only referring to Richard because that is where the people who I am assuming are giving the Original Poster on this thread other info got their idea from. It was their words.... not mine.
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You ass. Was anything I said off base??????????
Wow... you never cease to amaze me with what you say.(don't bother... I'm guessing you say the same about me) Ego has nothing to do with me and Richard... we've been friends since eighty something... when we met at the Northern California Herp symposium... when we first compared notes on the humid environment and shell development of leopards. I've never bred a Sulcata. The crap you are spouting is the lack of need for heat and hydration... in simple terms. The rest... It's been very interesting conversing with you over the last few years. It went from apparent friends to this... huh... I wonder where the turn occured. Oh... if you want to throw out numbers... I got my first Leopard in 79... bred my first in 83... I'm tired of compairing dicks... your the bigger one. Quote:
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LOL OK..easy there little feller. Dont try to play the victim. You know what you were doing when you wrote what you wrote. Your condescending tone in your writing says it all. You wanted to know where I came from... well this is where Im coming from... Grow a Pair and quit whining or have another drink.. I dont give a F... I always considered most of our exchange friendly, but Im sick of you reading what I wrote "half cocked" and then messing the whole thing up. This isnt the first time nor the second. I just figured, this is how you communicate with the great Ed Pirog.. who.. by the way.. has killed more tortoises than a Chinese soup kitchen. Im over it... you and your short man syndrome. I dont care what you think about me. Im not interested in being on your NAME Dropping list of constituents... tortoise "Peers" as another egotistical tortoise keeper whom you know would put it. What I am not spewing is the lack of heat or hydration. To put it simply. The higher the basking spot the need for higher humidity. The lower the basking temp.. the lower the humidity. Moderation.. and common sense is all. Now if you will excuse me.. I am going to build a pool to help facilitate my new tortoise husbandry parameters. 120+ basking and 100% humidity
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