[CherryBrandy]

Andy how awful for you and good for you posting such an upsetting story to help others. What I have found is whether you take torts to the vets or not, have heat or not, tlc or not sometimes the worse can happen for no apparent reason. It amazes me how tortoises caught it (being that they need to be soooo cold to hibernate) and I have racked my head when my beautiful large whitei tortoise last year just passed away with what I think was pneumonia...was she too hot, too cold, did I do enough , she was gaping, then she wasn't, she had phlegm then did seemed ok and the next day after seemingly ok she just slipped away and Ive sort of beat myself up about it ever since. The fact is she got older and her immune system probably got weaker over the years and then she picked up pneumonia...very sad, thoughts are with you, CB