T. Graeca Ibera or T. G. Graeca (or else)?

Lorebassi · 26-09-2014, 08:54 PM

Hi everyone, could you please help me identifying the subspecies? I can't decide between ibera and graeca but maybe i'm totally worng

**egyptiandan64** · 26-09-2014, 08:59 PM

Testudo graeca ibera

Danny

Lorebassi · 26-09-2014, 09:11 PM

Thank you very much! Reading around the internet i thought t.g.g.
Can you please explain me why is Ibera? I mean, i read about the first vertebral or central scute, the head shape and the seam on the plastron. Maybe i didn't understand well

Catwoman63 · 27-09-2014, 08:43 AM

And a beautiful tortoise at that

x

Suze65 · 27-09-2014, 03:41 PM

Very beautiful tort

Lorebassi · 29-09-2014, 02:54 PM

Thank you all

so...no one can explain me why is Ibera? Please

Suze65 · 30-09-2014, 11:09 AM

The main feature that stands out to me is the first vertebral scute is square, and on TGG it would normally be very round, the pattern and colour too, but I'll let Danny explain any other features that I'm not sure of.

Lorebassi · 30-09-2014, 05:33 PM

I was doubtful about the f.v. scute and the other freatures like head shape and plastron were bringing me to say t.g.g. But Ibera is better, it's just what i needed, because i found a male, and it's a t.g.ibera

**egyptiandan64** · 30-09-2014, 07:19 PM

I'm just not sure what you don't understand as you said you've seen what the differences are. So what exactly didn't you understand?

Danny

Lorebassi · 30-09-2014, 08:17 PM

Head shape: ibera has a pointed head, and mine doesn't seem to have it, but i'm surely wrong, i'm not used to give such judgments.. (and it's also pretty big, and i read that ibera fits with it)

Plastron: what kind of angle between abdominal-femoral section a t.g.g. should have? i thought mine was quite evident (this one wrong too)

Pattern: about this i have no idea, do any typical patterns exists?

Thank you for your patience

26-09-2014, 08:54 PM	#1
Lorebassi Junior Member Egg Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 42	T. Graeca Ibera or T. G. Graeca (or else)? Hi everyone, could you please help me identifying the subspecies? I can't decide between ibera and graeca but maybe i'm totally worng

26-09-2014, 08:59 PM	#2
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Testudo graeca ibera Danny __________________

27-09-2014, 08:43 AM	#4
Catwoman63 Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: South East England Posts: 6,739	And a beautiful tortoise at that x __________________ BEV XXX 0.3.0 - T Horsfieldii (Xena, Zelda & Lilly) 2.2.0 - TG Terrestris (Zeus, Astreus / Zagreus & Alexia) 1.2.0 - Zebra Finches (Gunner / Bonnie & May) 0.1.0 - SBT (Hazel) 1.0.0 - FBD (Ted)

27-09-2014, 03:41 PM	#5
Suze65 Senior Member Adult Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,769	Very beautiful tort __________________ Suze. 3 THB, Sammy, Jemima, & Phoebe 7 Marginated, Tabitha, Ptolome, Tatiana, Noah,Lottey, Lulu & Poppy 1 TGG (Emma) RIP Feb 2012

30-09-2014, 11:09 AM	#7
Suze65 Senior Member Adult Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,769	The main feature that stands out to me is the first vertebral scute is square, and on TGG it would normally be very round, the pattern and colour too, but I'll let Danny explain any other features that I'm not sure of. __________________ Suze. 3 THB, Sammy, Jemima, & Phoebe 7 Marginated, Tabitha, Ptolome, Tatiana, Noah,Lottey, Lulu & Poppy 1 TGG (Emma) RIP Feb 2012

26-09-2014, 09:11 PM	#3
Lorebassi Junior Member Egg Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 42	Thank you very much! Reading around the internet i thought t.g.g. Can you please explain me why is Ibera? I mean, i read about the first vertebral or central scute, the head shape and the seam on the plastron. Maybe i didn't understand well

29-09-2014, 02:54 PM	#6
Lorebassi Junior Member Egg Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 42	Thank you all so...no one can explain me why is Ibera? Please

30-09-2014, 05:33 PM	#8
Lorebassi Junior Member Egg Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 42	I was doubtful about the f.v. scute and the other freatures like head shape and plastron were bringing me to say t.g.g. But Ibera is better, it's just what i needed, because i found a male, and it's a t.g.ibera

30-09-2014, 07:19 PM	#9
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	I'm just not sure what you don't understand as you said you've seen what the differences are. So what exactly didn't you understand? Danny __________________

30-09-2014, 08:17 PM	#10
Lorebassi Junior Member Egg Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 42	Head shape: ibera has a pointed head, and mine doesn't seem to have it, but i'm surely wrong, i'm not used to give such judgments.. (and it's also pretty big, and i read that ibera fits with it) Plastron: what kind of angle between abdominal-femoral section a t.g.g. should have? i thought mine was quite evident (this one wrong too) Pattern: about this i have no idea, do any typical patterns exists? Thank you for your patience Last edited by Lorebassi; 30-09-2014 at 08:20 PM.

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