hermanni hermanni? corsica? gender? - Page 4

Hanako · 23-01-2014, 08:07 PM

Hi Chris,
I don't understand this bit "the second vertebral scute on the carapace will dip into the first vertebral like a "U" shape." Would it be possible to make on computer highlighted line where exactly is the U shape? (I think I am lacking imagination).

Thank you!

Ozric Jonathan · 23-01-2014, 11:22 PM

Hi there mate!

Whilst we wait for Chris to come on and help out, just checking that you have already seen his pages here :http://www.hermannihaven.com/#!sicilian-tortoises/chld

Good photos and descriptions.
Jonathan

Hanako · 24-01-2014, 07:21 PM

Hi Ozric,
Yes I have seen this web page. I love it!

But I am not a specialist and struggle to find which bit is the second vertebral scute and what U shape it is making, and in comparison how different it would be with a tortoise from a different locality where it doesn't do the 'U shape'.

HermanniChris23 · 24-01-2014, 07:38 PM

Thanks Jonathan for posting the link.

Here's a quick photo diagram I just made showing how the 2nd vertebral scute is straight edged on a hermanni from Var (south France) or most mainland Italian specimens and how it dips down like a "U" into the first vertebral on the tortoise on the right which is typical of Corse, Sardinian and Sicilian tortoises. It is most commonly seen in Corse hermanni.

tortoiseuk · 24-01-2014, 07:40 PM

wow, tks Chris you are a star. gonna check these with mine straight away

tortoiseuk · 24-01-2014, 07:59 PM

hmm...
tortoise 1 is flat
tortoise 2 seems "flatish" also.. not sure though.. lol
tortoise 3 seems curved/U shape

Hanako · 24-01-2014, 08:39 PM

Thank you, Chris! I have read so many times the advice about the U shape and always wondered where exactly is the scute and which bit is in the U shape. You are really brilliant!!!!!

23-01-2014, 11:22 PM	#32
Ozric Jonathan Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 4,226	Hi there mate! Whilst we wait for Chris to come on and help out, just checking that you have already seen his pages here :http://www.hermannihaven.com/#!sicilian-tortoises/chld Good photos and descriptions. Jonathan __________________ Testudo Hermanni Hermanni (Corse) tortoises

24-01-2014, 07:21 PM	#33
Hanako Member Hatchling Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 690	Hi Ozric, Yes I have seen this web page. I love it! But I am not a specialist and struggle to find which bit is the second vertebral scute and what U shape it is making, and in comparison how different it would be with a tortoise from a different locality where it doesn't do the 'U shape'. Last edited by Hanako; 24-01-2014 at 08:41 PM.

24-01-2014, 07:38 PM	#34
HermanniChris23 Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 584	Thanks Jonathan for posting the link. Here's a quick photo diagram I just made showing how the 2nd vertebral scute is straight edged on a hermanni from Var (south France) or most mainland Italian specimens and how it dips down like a "U" into the first vertebral on the tortoise on the right which is typical of Corse, Sardinian and Sicilian tortoises. It is most commonly seen in Corse hermanni. __________________ VISIT MY SITES: WWW.HERMANNIHAVEN.COM WWW.GARDENSTATETORTOISE.COM

24-01-2014, 07:40 PM	#35
tortoiseuk Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 392	wow, tks Chris you are a star. gonna check these with mine straight away __________________ 1.1.1 testudo horsfieldii 1.1.1 testudo hermanni hermanni (Corse) 0.3.0 testudo hermanni hermanni (Italy) 0.0.1 testudo kleinmanni 1.1.0 testudo hermanni boetgeri

24-01-2014, 07:59 PM	#36
tortoiseuk Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 392	hmm... tortoise 1 is flat tortoise 2 seems "flatish" also.. not sure though.. lol tortoise 3 seems curved/U shape __________________ 1.1.1 testudo horsfieldii 1.1.1 testudo hermanni hermanni (Corse) 0.3.0 testudo hermanni hermanni (Italy) 0.0.1 testudo kleinmanni 1.1.0 testudo hermanni boetgeri

23-01-2014, 08:07 PM	#31
Hanako Member Hatchling Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 690	Hi Chris, I don't understand this bit "the second vertebral scute on the carapace will dip into the first vertebral like a "U" shape." Would it be possible to make on computer highlighted line where exactly is the U shape? (I think I am lacking imagination). Thank you!

24-01-2014, 08:39 PM	#37
Hanako Member Hatchling Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 690	Thank you, Chris! I have read so many times the advice about the U shape and always wondered where exactly is the scute and which bit is in the U shape. You are really brilliant!!!!!

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