03-04-2013, 08:22 AM | #11 |
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mmmm , an example of a poorly grown on marginated , grown on far to fast you can tell this by the thickening of the carapace , you can see example's of this in many books on the subject , caused by poor husbandry , lighting and lack of d3 .
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Ed you seem to stuck on "poorly" as a verb, there is also an Adverb. Just because something is described as ill (adverb), doesn't necessarily mean it is poorly (verb) ! Just because something is described as poorly (adverb), it doesn't necessarily mean it is ill (verb) or sick ! 1. poorly -in a poor or improper or unsatisfactory manner; not well; "he was ill prepared"; "it ill befits a man to betray old friends"; "the car runs badly"; "he performed badly on the exam"; "the team played poorly"; "ill-fitting clothes"; "an ill-conceived plan" ill, badly This animal is "poorly grown". |
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I would agree with poorly grown, not ill, but badly grown, the shell margin looks like it's growing down at the back and not starting to fan out as it should , thus not allowing much space for the legs, possibly! Also thanks Levi for explaining poorly
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So it would appear that the tortoise in your banner is poorly grown.
I'm curious as to how you can tell the rate of growth and type of nutrition a tortoise received by looking at it?
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The tortoise is about 4 to 5 inches... the flare is just beginning at that size. If it is a female the flare is even less pronounced.
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Unless you really do know and your fishing hoping you get a bite or two *wink* To the op look up tortoise trust M B D, there lie's your answer's.
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this is the same animal sideway's hmmmm can't see a badly grown animal there .
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or there this picture was taken when the shell was dry
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It is slightly pyramided... you can't deny that. It looks far from natural.
...and no, I'm not fishing. I'm simply demonstrating to the op that there are nonjudgemental keepers who try to be objective in their opinions on the husbandry of chelonians. As to using some specific references... the op has to be careful to try and use references that are objective and are not biased towards a very specificly slanted agenda. One more time... growth that does not appear as 'normal' is not an indicator of MBD. This would mean that a good portion of the wild population has MBD because such growth does occur in the wild. You might want to change your banner photo.
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Honestly... if you look at the margins of the scutes you can see where you changed your husbandry to where the margins are growing irregularly... aka... poorly... I'm just saying.
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