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25-08-2010, 07:26 PM
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My take is that this is how it should be done.
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25-08-2010, 07:35 PM
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We should be supplying our tortoises with the nearest to the 'wild' feel that we possible can......
I don't limit Ralph (my leopard tortoise) food, if he eats it all I give him more, he can graze as well (weather permitted)  In the winter we are considering pellets to give him better variety!He has his heat on all the time and it is his choice on weather he want to be under it, near it or away from it etc and the uv bulb is to imitate sunlight....... However I would NEVER EVER hibernate him or force him to as this is not what this species requires. If it is NOT recommended then it should NEVER be done or said on a public site!!! I am very cross that a fountain of knowledge like yourself EJ can state that you have forced non hibernating species into hibernation!! This thread is very confusing and extremely misleading for new members!! Kind regards Sara |
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25-08-2010, 07:40 PM
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Have I missed something here...but where has Ed said that Leopards have to hibernate, Sar? (Perhaps I have skipped something....sorry if I have..)
I read back the thread and I dont see this... |
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25-08-2010, 07:44 PM
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Not leopards no but other non hibernating species as per above!! If it is NOT recommended practice then it shouldn't be done. |
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25-08-2010, 07:52 PM
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You did read the caps, right. I am not recommending or suggesting that anyone try to do what I do. I'm only saying what I am saying to illustrate a point.
Not many people admit it but many people do this... and might not even know they are doing this. I don't force this on my animals... the temperature dropps... the metabolism slows down... they become less active to the point of inactivity... natural. btw... Leopards do hibernate in the southern portion of their range. I could see how the thread could be misleading if all the information is not read or information is taken out of context. If a keeper does not understand the basic point of this thread after it's been explained from so many different perspectives... it would be a good idea to trade in the tortoise for a puppy. Quote:
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25-08-2010, 07:54 PM
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Exactly.
Don't do it. Quote:
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25-08-2010, 08:02 PM
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But I have read that you can drop temps to give them a wind down to bring on breeding patterns,
What's your view on this ed?
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25-08-2010, 08:07 PM
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It's the same thing as hibernation... it's a physical que. Wet season, dry season, hot season, cold season... can be seen as ques for other behaviors which are not limited to breeding.
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25-08-2010, 08:07 PM
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I'm with Pussygalore. If you are totally new to keeping tortoises you should definitely have some basic rules which to follow!
Then when you have learned and studied more, you can make your own decisions.
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25-08-2010, 08:08 PM
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But these species should not be experiencing this much of a temperature drop EJ, you/we should be imitating there natural habitats so it remains warm enough for them to continue to be active as they normally would in the wild......
And BTW - Leopard tortoises do not hibernate regardless if they are southern or northern. But I just think as you are regarded as a knowledgeable person you do have a sense of duty, and hibernation is already a 'black' area and your comments stating that you as an experienced knowledgeable tortoise keeper have hibernated non hibernating species is unsuitable and misguiding regardless of your warning signs. People are going to see that and think well if he can do it I can do it!! I think we will have to agree to disagree on the hibernation subject but I am all for providing unlimited food as they would receive this in the wild Cheers Sara |
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