second generation CB Testudo graeca graeca hatchlings

terrypin · 06-10-2016, 11:35 PM

I know I have not been onsite for some time but used to be a regular here. Anyway I first hatched these lovely little graeca graeca about 1989 and since then have produced a few. I stopped hatching these some years ago and also no longer hatch my Leopard eggs preferring to concentrate on Hermans. I have kept a few graeca graeca but now am left with 2 females from different mothers and an unrelated male all hatched by me from my original adults. The male is not particularly ardent and only in the last couple of years have my CB females been laying last year I had a confirmed clutch from the smaller of my young females which were not fertile. As said I no longer really have the space to be hatching TGG as I dont raise my youngsters in mixed groups and prefer to hatch Hermanns to sell on they are much easier to raise than North African graeca which dont really do well if kept with Hermans for several reasons. Anyway this year my wife noticed my other graeca laying in the greenhouse while I was at work the next day I dug them up to incubate and I last have second generation F2 TGG which I am absolutely pleased about even though I have been hatching F2 THB from several different females for a few years now. So here is the first of the 2.
Oh the female I hatched 20 years ago.

emma_mcraf · 07-10-2016, 07:23 AM

How satisfying to hatch and watch your females grow up and then see the next generation hatch!
What a gorgeous little TGG - congratulations.

terrypin · 07-10-2016, 07:44 AM

Thank you yes very true, the thing is only like minded people such as on this forum really appreciate that. Thanks again for looking and for your kind commment.

emma_mcraf · 07-10-2016, 11:05 AM

The magic of this forum is we all enjoy photos and news of others' torts. It's nice to celebrate new hatchlings together too as well as it being an incredible source of advice and information from experienced keepers.
I find non-tort lovers just don't understand the fascination. It's so good to chat on here with like-minded people.
I hope you enjoy coming back to the forum. I expect there's a lot of new people on here now.

Suze65 · 07-10-2016, 02:38 PM

What a beautiful little tort. I hope you don't mind me asking , but when you say they are TGG, do you mean Morrocan or Algerian. My understanding is that TGG are Algerian, but this looks more Morrocan.

terrypin · 07-10-2016, 02:59 PM

Hi well spotted I have used the term as a general catch all for North African this was from my morrocan female I had eggs from my Algerian female last year but infertile.Both females that produced these young adults had a 100% hatch rate. I no longer hatch eggs from my TGG wild caught females.

terrypin · 07-10-2016, 03:19 PM

I hope you dont mind but I will post a picture of one of my Algerian hatchlings from a few years ago. I cant tell them apart except for the size. I see you dont have these in your signature have you ever seen how different the Algerian eggs are compared to Morrocan. I have hatched eggs from my own Algerian and my Morrocan I have also hatched Ibera(not my own tortoise) Then I have hatched a fair few Leopard tortoise eggs. I am really interested in being able to ID sub species from their eggs I do hatch a few Hermanni boettgeri eggs from several different females some lay eggs all of a size and shape similar to ibera and others can have a mix of shapes with some a little elongated. Sorry dont get me talking about eggs I will talk you all to sleep.

Suze65 · 07-10-2016, 04:11 PM

Aahhh gorgeous, have another look at my signature, I did have a an Algerian TGG for many years, she was very old when she died, but I have never hatched any, so I don't know what their eggs or hatchlings look like, I am very fond of this species. My TGG , Emma, was a real old beauty.

terrypin · 07-10-2016, 04:37 PM

sorry was looking at Emmas signature not yours. My first hatchlings were from my Algerian female Tommie. I hatched them in I think 1989 . The ones I intend breeding from are 20 years old. It never even crossed my mind about second generation breeding so only started keeping them back much later I am pleased I did though.

CherryBrandy · 07-10-2016, 07:42 PM

Simply perfect. love the little bow too ! CB

06-10-2016, 11:35 PM	#1
terrypin Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: jersey c.i. Posts: 2,928	second generation CB Testudo graeca graeca hatchlings I know I have not been onsite for some time but used to be a regular here. Anyway I first hatched these lovely little graeca graeca about 1989 and since then have produced a few. I stopped hatching these some years ago and also no longer hatch my Leopard eggs preferring to concentrate on Hermans. I have kept a few graeca graeca but now am left with 2 females from different mothers and an unrelated male all hatched by me from my original adults. The male is not particularly ardent and only in the last couple of years have my CB females been laying last year I had a confirmed clutch from the smaller of my young females which were not fertile. As said I no longer really have the space to be hatching TGG as I dont raise my youngsters in mixed groups and prefer to hatch Hermanns to sell on they are much easier to raise than North African graeca which dont really do well if kept with Hermans for several reasons. Anyway this year my wife noticed my other graeca laying in the greenhouse while I was at work the next day I dug them up to incubate and I last have second generation F2 TGG which I am absolutely pleased about even though I have been hatching F2 THB from several different females for a few years now. So here is the first of the 2. Oh the female I hatched 20 years ago. __________________ these are my own opinions do with them what you will. _________________

07-10-2016, 07:23 AM	#2
emma_mcraf Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 11,365	How satisfying to hatch and watch your females grow up and then see the next generation hatch! What a gorgeous little TGG - congratulations. __________________ Emma Testudo Hermanni 5.12.2:Theo, Tamara, Tabitha, Harriet, Isabelle, Clara, Oscar, Hugo, Oliver, Florence, Arabella, Esmé, Aurelia, Felicia, Claudia, Atticus, Celestia, Amaris, Tristan and Clementine Budgies: Jasper, Ivo, Otis, Henry, Louie and Luca Doggies: 1.1.0 Chester and Lottie

07-10-2016, 07:44 AM	#3
terrypin Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: jersey c.i. Posts: 2,928	Thank you yes very true, the thing is only like minded people such as on this forum really appreciate that. Thanks again for looking and for your kind commment. __________________ these are my own opinions do with them what you will. _________________

07-10-2016, 11:05 AM	#4
emma_mcraf Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 11,365	The magic of this forum is we all enjoy photos and news of others' torts. It's nice to celebrate new hatchlings together too as well as it being an incredible source of advice and information from experienced keepers. I find non-tort lovers just don't understand the fascination. It's so good to chat on here with like-minded people. I hope you enjoy coming back to the forum. I expect there's a lot of new people on here now. __________________ Emma Testudo Hermanni 5.12.2:Theo, Tamara, Tabitha, Harriet, Isabelle, Clara, Oscar, Hugo, Oliver, Florence, Arabella, Esmé, Aurelia, Felicia, Claudia, Atticus, Celestia, Amaris, Tristan and Clementine Budgies: Jasper, Ivo, Otis, Henry, Louie and Luca Doggies: 1.1.0 Chester and Lottie

07-10-2016, 02:38 PM	#5
Suze65 Senior Member Adult Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,769	What a beautiful little tort. I hope you don't mind me asking , but when you say they are TGG, do you mean Morrocan or Algerian. My understanding is that TGG are Algerian, but this looks more Morrocan. __________________ Suze. 3 THB, Sammy, Jemima, & Phoebe 7 Marginated, Tabitha, Ptolome, Tatiana, Noah,Lottey, Lulu & Poppy 1 TGG (Emma) RIP Feb 2012

07-10-2016, 02:59 PM	#6
terrypin Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: jersey c.i. Posts: 2,928	Hi well spotted I have used the term as a general catch all for North African this was from my morrocan female I had eggs from my Algerian female last year but infertile.Both females that produced these young adults had a 100% hatch rate. I no longer hatch eggs from my TGG wild caught females. __________________ these are my own opinions do with them what you will. _________________

07-10-2016, 03:19 PM	#7
terrypin Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: jersey c.i. Posts: 2,928	I hope you dont mind but I will post a picture of one of my Algerian hatchlings from a few years ago. I cant tell them apart except for the size. I see you dont have these in your signature have you ever seen how different the Algerian eggs are compared to Morrocan. I have hatched eggs from my own Algerian and my Morrocan I have also hatched Ibera(not my own tortoise) Then I have hatched a fair few Leopard tortoise eggs. I am really interested in being able to ID sub species from their eggs I do hatch a few Hermanni boettgeri eggs from several different females some lay eggs all of a size and shape similar to ibera and others can have a mix of shapes with some a little elongated. Sorry dont get me talking about eggs I will talk you all to sleep. __________________ these are my own opinions do with them what you will. _________________

07-10-2016, 04:11 PM	#8
Suze65 Senior Member Adult Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,769	Aahhh gorgeous, have another look at my signature, I did have a an Algerian TGG for many years, she was very old when she died, but I have never hatched any, so I don't know what their eggs or hatchlings look like, I am very fond of this species. My TGG , Emma, was a real old beauty. __________________ Suze. 3 THB, Sammy, Jemima, & Phoebe 7 Marginated, Tabitha, Ptolome, Tatiana, Noah,Lottey, Lulu & Poppy 1 TGG (Emma) RIP Feb 2012

07-10-2016, 04:37 PM	#9
terrypin Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: jersey c.i. Posts: 2,928	sorry was looking at Emmas signature not yours. My first hatchlings were from my Algerian female Tommie. I hatched them in I think 1989 . The ones I intend breeding from are 20 years old. It never even crossed my mind about second generation breeding so only started keeping them back much later I am pleased I did though. __________________ these are my own opinions do with them what you will. _________________

07-10-2016, 07:42 PM	#10
CherryBrandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: SE England Posts: 4,262	Simply perfect. love the little bow too ! CB __________________ Horsfields, Spur Thighed, & Marginata

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