Fluid Retention In Indian Star.

Malwa85 · 13-07-2011, 01:01 PM

We have a 3 yr old Indian Star who has all the signs of fluid retention, swelling around the area at the top of the front and rear legs. He's moving around ok, eating well , poop looks fine but his urates are sandy. We're thinking kidney problem / infection but would appreciate some feedback. We know we will have to visit the vet, but as vets with chelonia experience are as common as hen's teeth in this neck of the woods we'd like to bring a little knowledge with us when we go. Here are a few pics taken today........

NATURALIS · 13-07-2011, 02:20 PM

hens teeth or not get him to the vets asap , like today !!

**egyptiandan64** · 13-07-2011, 02:35 PM

Yes kidney problems and could be a stone also. Definately get an x-ray.

Danny

Malwa85 · 13-07-2011, 02:47 PM

Thank's Dan , would it be a course of antibiotics and a diuretic if it was the kidney?. Any particular antibiotic to avoid , stars being a little bit particular. Also if it's a kidney stone what is the procedure ?.

**egyptiandan64** · 13-07-2011, 11:35 PM

No Baytril, stars do not tolerate it well. It would be easier if it was a bladder stone as opposed to a kidney stone. Diuretics will help while convalescing and may help for the short term, but won't work in the long run if there is to much damage to the kidneys. Not much can de done if there are stones in the kidneys.

Danny

Malwa85 · 14-07-2011, 07:29 AM

Thank's Dan , we're off to the vet today so fingers crossed ......

Petrus · 14-07-2011, 07:47 AM

Good luck....hope everything goes well.

Beverley · 14-07-2011, 08:13 AM

Is it Bairbre O'Malley your seeing? She's not too bad with torts. I hope it's not kidney stones and it's treatable. The fact that it's still active and eating is good. Good luck.

burnt toast · 14-07-2011, 10:18 AM

Good luck Melwina!

Malwa85 · 15-07-2011, 12:22 PM

Visited the vet yesterday, in the surgery the little guy erupted , pee and poop everywhere , kind of ruled out fluid retention !. Did some xrays and all appeared normal , no sign of stones although seemingly it can be hard to identify a build up of gritty urates. The swelling seems to be from a build up of air and the vet drained around a ml with a syringe. The vet seems to think that it is a result of a previous bout of RNS that did not clear up but also couldn't rule out damage to the air sac. He is now on a course of Marbocyl for the next 5 to 10 days so hopefully things will work .......

Thank's guy's for all the kind words and help ...

13-07-2011, 01:01 PM	#1
Malwa85 Member Incubating Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 187	Fluid Retention In Indian Star. We have a 3 yr old Indian Star who has all the signs of fluid retention, swelling around the area at the top of the front and rear legs. He's moving around ok, eating well , poop looks fine but his urates are sandy. We're thinking kidney problem / infection but would appreciate some feedback. We know we will have to visit the vet, but as vets with chelonia experience are as common as hen's teeth in this neck of the woods we'd like to bring a little knowledge with us when we go. Here are a few pics taken today........ __________________ Horsefields torts, Marginated, Hermann's torts, Tunisian torts, Egyptian torts, Greek, Libyan, Sulcatas torts, Leopard torts, Pancake torts, Bells Hinge Back torts, Red-Footed torts, Indian Stars torts, Radiated torts. Common Musk turtles, Razorback Musk turtles, Loggerhead Musk turtles, Spotted turtles, Gulf Coast Box Turtles.

13-07-2011, 02:20 PM	#2
NATURALIS Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: cheshire Posts: 3,472	hens teeth or not get him to the vets asap , like today !! __________________ Home bred tortoise's available all year round, Hermanns , spur-thighed ( ibera ) pm for details

13-07-2011, 02:35 PM	#3
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Yes kidney problems and could be a stone also. Definately get an x-ray. Danny __________________

13-07-2011, 02:47 PM	#4
Malwa85 Member Incubating Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 187	Thank's Dan , would it be a course of antibiotics and a diuretic if it was the kidney?. Any particular antibiotic to avoid , stars being a little bit particular. Also if it's a kidney stone what is the procedure ?. __________________ Horsefields torts, Marginated, Hermann's torts, Tunisian torts, Egyptian torts, Greek, Libyan, Sulcatas torts, Leopard torts, Pancake torts, Bells Hinge Back torts, Red-Footed torts, Indian Stars torts, Radiated torts. Common Musk turtles, Razorback Musk turtles, Loggerhead Musk turtles, Spotted turtles, Gulf Coast Box Turtles.

13-07-2011, 11:35 PM	#5
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	No Baytril, stars do not tolerate it well. It would be easier if it was a bladder stone as opposed to a kidney stone. Diuretics will help while convalescing and may help for the short term, but won't work in the long run if there is to much damage to the kidneys. Not much can de done if there are stones in the kidneys. Danny __________________

14-07-2011, 07:29 AM	#6
Malwa85 Member Incubating Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 187	Thank's Dan , we're off to the vet today so fingers crossed ...... __________________ Horsefields torts, Marginated, Hermann's torts, Tunisian torts, Egyptian torts, Greek, Libyan, Sulcatas torts, Leopard torts, Pancake torts, Bells Hinge Back torts, Red-Footed torts, Indian Stars torts, Radiated torts. Common Musk turtles, Razorback Musk turtles, Loggerhead Musk turtles, Spotted turtles, Gulf Coast Box Turtles.

14-07-2011, 07:47 AM	#7
Petrus Banned Juvenile Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Glasgow Posts: 997	Good luck....hope everything goes well.

14-07-2011, 08:13 AM	#8
Beverley Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,493	Is it Bairbre O'Malley your seeing? She's not too bad with torts. I hope it's not kidney stones and it's treatable. The fact that it's still active and eating is good. Good luck. __________________

14-07-2011, 10:18 AM	#9
burnt toast Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,246	Good luck Melwina!

15-07-2011, 12:22 PM	#10
Malwa85 Member Incubating Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 187	Visited the vet yesterday, in the surgery the little guy erupted , pee and poop everywhere , kind of ruled out fluid retention !. Did some xrays and all appeared normal , no sign of stones although seemingly it can be hard to identify a build up of gritty urates. The swelling seems to be from a build up of air and the vet drained around a ml with a syringe. The vet seems to think that it is a result of a previous bout of RNS that did not clear up but also couldn't rule out damage to the air sac. He is now on a course of Marbocyl for the next 5 to 10 days so hopefully things will work ....... Thank's guy's for all the kind words and help ... __________________ Horsefields torts, Marginated, Hermann's torts, Tunisian torts, Egyptian torts, Greek, Libyan, Sulcatas torts, Leopard torts, Pancake torts, Bells Hinge Back torts, Red-Footed torts, Indian Stars torts, Radiated torts. Common Musk turtles, Razorback Musk turtles, Loggerhead Musk turtles, Spotted turtles, Gulf Coast Box Turtles.

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