have done searches so please dont shout at me for asking!!!

Nardie&pipin · 14-10-2008, 08:35 PM

Hi all,
My female hermans. b. is pacing. I have read the threads about this and am concerned she is stressed for some reason. I have checked her temps, she has weeds, and different substrates etc so a really nice enclosure I think!
COULD IT BE THAT SHE IS LONELY??

I had her in a table that she grew out of so as a quick solution I put her in a viv, but covered the glass where she could see out of as I knew this could stress her. but she still paced lots, I have now built her a table thats much bigger and better and she is still pacing!

I have only literally put her in and thought it would be her just getting a look at everything new, but she is still going round and changing direction etc.

I did have her outside lots when the whether was nicer so this could be it but its been real chilly recently (birmingham) in the evening so she has to come back in, and a few days ago she stopped eating, she has a few morsals from my hand but not even touched her dinner (I checked and counted leaves!). starting to get really worried.

I have been thinking about getting another one as a friend (not a male though) would this help do you think??

thanks for listening to my woes!

linda · 14-10-2008, 08:38 PM

i very much doubt that being on her own would cause her to pace arround

i hope she will settle soon

this is her 3rd home change

so it may take her a little time to settle

lindso3000 · 14-10-2008, 08:40 PM

Im sure she will settle in time, george was doing this when i updated their table and hes chilled out now

Beverley · 14-10-2008, 08:43 PM

I don't think its anything to do with being lonely if she has always been on her own, it could be the move to the new table, many tortoises are beginning to eat less now. I have found my Hermanns very restless and one of the Margies, I think they do miss being outside but its just too cold here as well, when I do try them out they just bury down.
Tortoises are very good at sensing a change in the weather and naturally now they will slow down, eat less and want to go to sleep, or go the other way and become very restless.
Has this tort been hibernated before and what are your temps on the table warm and cold ends ?

Henry-flash · 14-10-2008, 08:45 PM

How large is she? Have you considered that she could be gravid?

Nardie&pipin · 14-10-2008, 08:47 PM

yes I did think it might be the stress of the move as it were! I'll leave her a week and see if theres any change, she has always had an odd day when she hasnt eaten so Im prob just over worrying!
Thanks for your concern
just one more thought can she lay with out a male present? I keep thinking maybe she is egg bound or something horrid...im a bit of a hypocondriac when it comes to my baby!

Henry-flash · 14-10-2008, 08:49 PM

Yes, she could have eggs without a male. Do you have a suitable nesting site incase she is indeed gravid?

linda · 14-10-2008, 08:51 PM

has she gained weight recently

how big is she

how old is she

Nardie&pipin · 14-10-2008, 08:56 PM

she is a 2005 baby, last measurement was 9.9cm and 203.6g (ratio of 0.21), this is my first winter with her so I didnt want to hibernate her.
her temps are 33 at heat lamp end and 20 at cool end.
she has soil at one end, hemp hay at the other and oyster shell and slate and a few rocks and plants in the middle!

when she was in the previous viv the soil was deeper and so I thought she may have done her stuff in there but no sign of her even digging in it. she would did down at night but in the hemp.

Henry-flash · 14-10-2008, 08:58 PM

You can rule out her being gravid straight away then. I do find Hermanns as a species are much more restless than others, mainly, I think, because they are so greedy and always looking for more food.

14-10-2008, 08:35 PM	#1
Nardie&pipin Member Egg Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: birmingham Posts: 60	have done searches so please dont shout at me for asking!!! Hi all, My female hermans. b. is pacing. I have read the threads about this and am concerned she is stressed for some reason. I have checked her temps, she has weeds, and different substrates etc so a really nice enclosure I think! COULD IT BE THAT SHE IS LONELY?? I had her in a table that she grew out of so as a quick solution I put her in a viv, but covered the glass where she could see out of as I knew this could stress her. but she still paced lots, I have now built her a table thats much bigger and better and she is still pacing! I have only literally put her in and thought it would be her just getting a look at everything new, but she is still going round and changing direction etc. I did have her outside lots when the whether was nicer so this could be it but its been real chilly recently (birmingham) in the evening so she has to come back in, and a few days ago she stopped eating, she has a few morsals from my hand but not even touched her dinner (I checked and counted leaves!). starting to get really worried. I have been thinking about getting another one as a friend (not a male though) would this help do you think?? thanks for listening to my woes! __________________ Pipin (Hermans), Zeezoo & Zoozee (Giant african land snails) Titch, Totch, Tatch & Tetch (baby snails!), Cat, Opal, Silka & Patch (fish)

14-10-2008, 08:40 PM	#3
lindso3000 Senior Member Adult Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2,675	Im sure she will settle in time, george was doing this when i updated their table and hes chilled out now __________________ Keeper of horsfields, redfoots, Hermans, bearded dragon and 2 rats

14-10-2008, 08:43 PM	#4
Beverley Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,493	I don't think its anything to do with being lonely if she has always been on her own, it could be the move to the new table, many tortoises are beginning to eat less now. I have found my Hermanns very restless and one of the Margies, I think they do miss being outside but its just too cold here as well, when I do try them out they just bury down. Tortoises are very good at sensing a change in the weather and naturally now they will slow down, eat less and want to go to sleep, or go the other way and become very restless. Has this tort been hibernated before and what are your temps on the table warm and cold ends ? __________________

14-10-2008, 08:45 PM	#5
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	How large is she? Have you considered that she could be gravid? __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

14-10-2008, 08:47 PM	#6
Nardie&pipin Member Egg Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: birmingham Posts: 60	yes I did think it might be the stress of the move as it were! I'll leave her a week and see if theres any change, she has always had an odd day when she hasnt eaten so Im prob just over worrying! Thanks for your concern just one more thought can she lay with out a male present? I keep thinking maybe she is egg bound or something horrid...im a bit of a hypocondriac when it comes to my baby! __________________ Pipin (Hermans), Zeezoo & Zoozee (Giant african land snails) Titch, Totch, Tatch & Tetch (baby snails!), Cat, Opal, Silka & Patch (fish)

14-10-2008, 08:38 PM	#2
linda Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: west midlands Posts: 17,134	i very much doubt that being on her own would cause her to pace arround i hope she will settle soon this is her 3rd home change so it may take her a little time to settle

14-10-2008, 08:49 PM	#7
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	Yes, she could have eggs without a male. Do you have a suitable nesting site incase she is indeed gravid? __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

14-10-2008, 08:51 PM	#8
linda Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: west midlands Posts: 17,134	has she gained weight recently how big is she how old is she

14-10-2008, 08:56 PM	#9
Nardie&pipin Member Egg Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: birmingham Posts: 60	she is a 2005 baby, last measurement was 9.9cm and 203.6g (ratio of 0.21), this is my first winter with her so I didnt want to hibernate her. her temps are 33 at heat lamp end and 20 at cool end. she has soil at one end, hemp hay at the other and oyster shell and slate and a few rocks and plants in the middle! when she was in the previous viv the soil was deeper and so I thought she may have done her stuff in there but no sign of her even digging in it. she would did down at night but in the hemp. __________________ Pipin (Hermans), Zeezoo & Zoozee (Giant african land snails) Titch, Totch, Tatch & Tetch (baby snails!), Cat, Opal, Silka & Patch (fish)

14-10-2008, 08:58 PM	#10
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	You can rule out her being gravid straight away then. I do find Hermanns as a species are much more restless than others, mainly, I think, because they are so greedy and always looking for more food. __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

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