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Old 28-02-2015, 02:29 PM   #21
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At least one person has said something right, well done Merlin, no one what ever they did deserves a revenge killing and if Venable's had been given the death sentence which of you if any would have been prepared to give the injection to a child. This thread is nothing more than a witch hunt and malicious gossip.
I'm pretty certain that even if the death sentence was a viable punishment in our country, Venables would have been too young for it. Having said that, if it was my child that had been sexually assaulted and murdered, I'd press the button to eliminate him. Clearly he wasn't rehabilitated during his time in prison, hence why he came out and accessed child porn. As an adult, the man is a paedophile in my eyes if he wants to look at such images.
Yes, this thread is gossip as it is just hearsay at this point in time, which I've stated from the start. I wouldn't class it as a witch hunt though. There are vigilante groups all over the country hunting down paedophiles. I'm not saying it's right, but that's more of a witch hunt than a discussion online about a child abuser and murderer.
You of course are entitled to your opinion and I respect free speech. I think you may be in the minority though.
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Old 28-02-2015, 02:31 PM   #22
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I agree with Emma!
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Old 28-02-2015, 02:40 PM   #23
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I'm pretty certain that even if the death sentence was a viable punishment in our country, Venables would have been too young for it. Having said that, if it was my child that had been sexually assaulted and murdered, I'd press the button to eliminate him. Clearly he wasn't rehabilitated during his time in prison, hence why he came out and accessed child porn. As an adult, the man is a paedophile in my eyes if he wants to look at such images.
Yes, this thread is gossip as it is just hearsay at this point in time, which I've stated from the start. I wouldn't class it as a witch hunt though. There are vigilante groups all over the country hunting down paedophiles. I'm not saying it's right, but that's more of a witch hunt than a discussion online about a child abuser and murderer.
You of course are entitled to your opinion and I respect free speech. I think you may be in the minority though.
Agreed. I'd happily push the button. I'd be even worse if it was my own child. I don't condone murder or violence but personally in this exception justice has been served if it is indeed true. That's just my opinion
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Old 28-02-2015, 02:49 PM   #24
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what if it had been your child that commited the offense, and don't say they'd never do anything like that as I'm sure the parents/relations of all offenders say the same. Do we ever really know what our spouses, children, relations are capable of.
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Old 28-02-2015, 04:31 PM   #25
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My friend's son committed manslaughter. The details of the crime are irrelevant here but he was pushed into a position where he had to defend himself or take a severe beating. His actions have had long-lasting effects on BOTH families. I've seen it all first-hand.
So I know all too well that a child can commit an offence and how badly the mother of the perpetrator has suffered for her son's crime.

Both the murderers of Jamie Bulger came from broken and dysfunctional families. Goodness knows what they had seen and heard in their 10 short years before committing their crime. One thing is for certain, I know that my kids at 10 wouldn't have a clue about the sort of abuse Jamie suffered. Pushing batteries into certain places, rubbing paint in his eyes, stoning and beating him....the little boy wasn't just murdered - he was tortured and abused first. They knew they had done wrong as they left him on a railway line, hoping a train would deal with the body.

The boys who killed him were already playing truant, stealing and perhaps even watching porn in their homes.
There's a bit about their upbringing here http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/n...drelationships

Their time away from their families clearly did not make any difference to their rehabilitation. There has been no remorse. Instead, as a fully grown man, Jon Venables chose to access child pornography. Who knows what he would be capable of and what a threat he poses to society?

The families had to take new identities and make new lives elsewhere. I'm sure the social services kept a very good eye on the families. The siblings have probably grown up and are now adults themselves.

Good parenting doesn't prevent these crimes, but it goes a long way towards bringing up children who have respect and know right from wrong.

So in answer to your question Ann, I think every one of us is capable of committing murder. I would undoubtedly do so and willingly do the time in prison if the crime was to protect my nearest and dearest. I know my husband and eldest sons would do the same to protect their family. But I also know they'd never premeditate a murder, let alone torture and abuse a person, especially a child.
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Old 28-02-2015, 04:59 PM   #26
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There is a big argument there that the criminal justice system failed Jon Venables, he was a 10 year old CHILD when he committed a horrific crime, the time he was in prison he should have been rehabilitated. But when released he went on to reoffend and looking at child pornography is a serious crime. But more should have been looked into why, taking into account his original crime but also the time period he was in prison, he lost (through his own actions) the end of his childhood to prison, that should have been address when being released to ensure he was not a danger to society.

What's done is done nothing can take away the horrific murder he committed, but the press and public should have let it be, he served his time, police and social services should have been keeping tabs (as I am sure they where) and he should have been able to get on with his life. You tell someone they are a monster enough and that's what they will become.

There is no death penalty in this country for a good reason! Eye for an eye justice is not right, because you have killed someone does not mean you should die.

You cannot say that a 10 year old is just bad, they are 10, yes they know right and wrong but it should not end their life!

And vigilante justice is not justice at all! No one is above the law, you kill someone because they did something terrible and you are still a murderer. Being a murdered does not mean you should be murdered!
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Old 28-02-2015, 05:04 PM   #27
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Again, I agree with Emma.
No one is perfect, we all do things we shouldn't, I'm the first to admit I have done and I'm not proud of it. I'm from a broken home, (hate that term but it's what its called), NEVER has it crossed my mind to abuse anyone or anything, we are all capable of anything if pushed hard enough to protect ourselves or our own!!
I could not stand by anyone who went as far as premeditated murder or torture, self defence is entirely different, I think it's safe to say that what happened to that little boy was not self defence. If it was my family that had done that to a child, I'd still think this was justice served.
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Old 28-02-2015, 05:07 PM   #28
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That's not to say I don't think this murderer should get away with it though!
Sorry Merlin, you replied while I was typing.
I think it's an emotive topic and no one will agree xx
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Would it be justice served though? As it would have just ruined another life, just another person facing life in prison for murder. Who is that justice for?

Justice for Jamie Bulger? He is dead, nothing will bring him back.
Justice for his family? So they see justice as another person facing life in prison? That is not justice! That is just another person dead and another in prison, it changes nothing
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Yea, you are right too xx
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