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Steph37 · 29-10-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ibizathetort

I think we all agree that we respect each others views, I think it just becomes unacceptable when it becomes a bit personal.

Personally I think the best way forward would be to continue to offer our support and experiences and to just ignore any incendary comments, making a real effort to keep the thread clean and on track for the op (usually a valued newbie!)

Thats my 2 pence worth anyhoo gang

I agree-you are so right about not being drawn in-its more likely to go away if ignored and that's where I've gone wrong. BTW what is the OP? (other person?) I assumed, maybe wrongly, because of where it came from it stood for something very rude, but as you are saying it, I have just thought maybe thats all it means-I thought it meant 'oppostion' or 'Odd people' or something worse!!!

swad1000 · 29-10-2010, 02:45 PM

Original poster, or thread starter if you like.

dolittle · 29-10-2010, 04:45 PM

I actually enjoy reading heated debates(not the rude comments) as they have helped me in the way I do things. If I think something should be done a certain way but then read that someone does it different and theirs and other reasons why, it has changed my mind in the past. I think it would be boring if we all said the same things. Years and years ago the experts thought they were doing things right and what's to say in years to come we will find out what we are doing now is wrong, at least we have had the options to choose different ways that suit us through peoples opinions and experience. Sometimes I think people forget they are talking through a computer and take things to heart to much. And i actually enjoy posts by 'fruitcake' lol even if I might not agree as they are honest and he does not conform to the crowd. Too often I read people advising others to do something but not knowing the reasons why its best, when they are asked they say it's what they've been told or read. Gosh long post for me but it's just my opinion

Marly · 29-10-2010, 05:08 PM

"In my opinion" Kelly (Stells) has some very valid points in her last post. As do most of the posters on this thread.
On the whole I think OP's, be they new or old Shelled Warriors's, get very good and varied advice. They are offered tips and suggestions which they can try, usually comeing back with more questions or updates on improvements. Which I think we all learn from.
Every so often though, comes along a thread which does get feelings running high, for what ever reason. We are all passionate about torts and sometimes this passion shows.
I posted on what is now becoming "the fruitcake and trolls" post because I felt important information has been forgotten, missed or just lost in the thread. I passionately felt it should be re-stated, which I did, as cooly as I was able. I also said I was happy to be called a fruitcake, which I still am, happy I mean, not a fruitcake. I didn't feel insulted or upset by that, although quite frankly I did not see a need for it, but have realised that other posters are as passionate as me.
Some topics will always arouse passion and disagreement, which in my opinion is a good thing. There are no RIGHT or WRONG ways, just DIFFERENT ways of doing things, which should be discussed.
I have learnt lessons on here, the main one being respect. Now, if I have nothing good or helpfull to post, as Sarah too has mentioned in this thread, I ignore. It was a hard but good lesson. I do post when I feel passionate about something, but now I do try very,very hard to remember that little word, respect.

**sarah** · 29-10-2010, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marly

"In my opinion" Kelly (Stells) has some very valid points in her last post. As do most of the posters on this thread.
On the whole I think OP's, be they new or old Shelled Warriors's, get very good and varied advice. They are offered tips and suggestions which they can try, usually comeing back with more questions or updates on improvements. Which I think we all learn from.
Every so often though, comes along a thread which does get feelings running high, for what ever reason. We are all passionate about torts and sometimes this passion shows.
I posted on what is now becoming "the fruitcake and trolls" post because I felt important information has been forgotten, missed or just lost in the thread. I passionately felt it should be re-stated, which I did, as cooly as I was able. I also said I was happy to be called a fruitcake, which I still am, happy I mean, not a fruitcake. I didn't feel insulted or upset by that, although quite frankly I did not see a need for it, but have realised that other posters are as passionate as me.
Some topics will always arouse passion and disagreement, which in my opinion is a good thing. There are no RIGHT or WRONG ways, just DIFFERENT ways of doing things, which should be discussed.
I have learnt lessons on here, the main one being respect. Now, if I have nothing good or helpfull to post, as Sarah too has mentioned in this thread, I ignore. It was a hard but good lesson. I do post when I feel passionate about something, but now I do try very,very hard to remember that little word, respect.

Very well put

Simple if you dont like someones comment ignore it.

Shelled Warriors is not free to host its quite expensive. But we keep paying for it so we can help tortoises and spread new ideas.

TortBabe · 29-10-2010, 06:56 PM

I am so grateful to have found this site, it has helped me and my torts no end, increased my confidence as a keeper, made me a better keeper. I read everyones advice, try this, try that and come to my own conclusion which will work best for my torts. I also have made lots of great friends, quite often almost peed myself laughing (Thanks Alan ) and enjoy conversing with other people who love torts. So I will say Thank you to Sarah and Andrew, this place has certainly been to me exactly what it was intended for...tortoise knowledge. The laugh on here is an enjoyable bonus, and if anyone wants to be rude or ignorant, I just ignore it

Steph37 · 29-10-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stells

Without the more experienced members giving out advice... how are we meant to help newbies... if we lose the more experienced the whole forum will be full of newbies (no offence intended) without anyone to guide them... what use would that be... nobody on this forum is put before anyone else... the new generation of tortoise keepers are respected as well as the older generation... but that doesn't mean we always have to agree...

Has nobody thought that the reason they get so het up about the differing opinion is because they think there opinion is right... so really nobody is different to anyone else...

Nothing to do with opinions Kelly, as far as I know from all the people within pm, its tone and argumentative style aimed at insulting and humiliating. There are plenty of people on here who's advice I would (hopefully correctly) take as gospel but that's because their tone and demeanour commands respect, not just their age or standing! Anyway, enough of me, but obviously there's a lot of people who feel similarly. A lot of the people I have felt bad for are those I've nevee responded to, let alone pm'ed. Just felt so awful for the two ladies who have posted this week-never to return-surely that's not what SW stands for. Anyway, sorry its old ground now! Steph

ziggy's owner · 29-10-2010, 07:22 PM

We all have our ups and downs, and yeah some people make out they know it all, my words is try if it don't work try something else, I know I for one have had fall outs with people for saying something but as Sarah and Kelly say ignore it

ibizathetort · 29-10-2010, 08:05 PM

I don't think anyone is looking for a member or members to be shown the door. I think sometimes order is needed when a thread gets personal. I admit to being in a right tiz last night on that thread until Bindi pulled it up for being personal. Sometimes that's what the forum is crying out for. Nobody is asking for a draconian policing of peoples views just a warning when posters get out of hand

justmeandmytortoise · 29-10-2010, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stells

Without the more experienced members giving out advice... how are we meant to help newbies... if we lose the more experienced the whole forum will be full of newbies (no offence intended) without anyone to guide them... what use would that be... nobody on this forum is put before anyone else... the new generation of tortoise keepers are respected as well as the older generation... but that doesn't mean we always have to agree...

Has nobody thought that the reason they get so het up about the differing opinion is because they think there opinion is right... so really nobody is different to anyone else...

I agree, and you make some very good points Kelly. I do miss the input, knowledge and discussions from the more experienced keepers who have sadly left

as I learnt so much from them. However, everyone has a voice and valued input and I enjoy the diversity of the posts. I admit I missed the 'trolls' thread ... It must be very hard running and directing a Forum ...

Sarah ... I had no idea it was expensive to run. Thank you

29-10-2010, 04:45 PM	#13
dolittle Member Hatched Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: portsmouth Posts: 290	I actually enjoy reading heated debates(not the rude comments) as they have helped me in the way I do things. If I think something should be done a certain way but then read that someone does it different and theirs and other reasons why, it has changed my mind in the past. I think it would be boring if we all said the same things. Years and years ago the experts thought they were doing things right and what's to say in years to come we will find out what we are doing now is wrong, at least we have had the options to choose different ways that suit us through peoples opinions and experience. Sometimes I think people forget they are talking through a computer and take things to heart to much. And i actually enjoy posts by 'fruitcake' lol even if I might not agree as they are honest and he does not conform to the crowd. Too often I read people advising others to do something but not knowing the reasons why its best, when they are asked they say it's what they've been told or read. Gosh long post for me but it's just my opinion __________________ 1 springer spanial snoop 1 boxer tae 4 hermann tortoises fish 2 male leopard geckos 1 panther chameleon ca painted wood turtle nicola osborne on facebook RIP my wonderful boxer sasha, will miss you lotsxxxxxxxx 13 04 10

29-10-2010, 05:08 PM	#14
Marly Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 1,202	"In my opinion" Kelly (Stells) has some very valid points in her last post. As do most of the posters on this thread. On the whole I think OP's, be they new or old Shelled Warriors's, get very good and varied advice. They are offered tips and suggestions which they can try, usually comeing back with more questions or updates on improvements. Which I think we all learn from. Every so often though, comes along a thread which does get feelings running high, for what ever reason. We are all passionate about torts and sometimes this passion shows. I posted on what is now becoming "the fruitcake and trolls" post because I felt important information has been forgotten, missed or just lost in the thread. I passionately felt it should be re-stated, which I did, as cooly as I was able. I also said I was happy to be called a fruitcake, which I still am, happy I mean, not a fruitcake. I didn't feel insulted or upset by that, although quite frankly I did not see a need for it, but have realised that other posters are as passionate as me. Some topics will always arouse passion and disagreement, which in my opinion is a good thing. There are no RIGHT or WRONG ways, just DIFFERENT ways of doing things, which should be discussed. I have learnt lessons on here, the main one being respect. Now, if I have nothing good or helpfull to post, as Sarah too has mentioned in this thread, I ignore. It was a hard but good lesson. I do post when I feel passionate about something, but now I do try very,very hard to remember that little word, respect. __________________

29-10-2010, 06:56 PM	#16
TortBabe Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 6,919	I am so grateful to have found this site, it has helped me and my torts no end, increased my confidence as a keeper, made me a better keeper. I read everyones advice, try this, try that and come to my own conclusion which will work best for my torts. I also have made lots of great friends, quite often almost peed myself laughing (Thanks Alan ) and enjoy conversing with other people who love torts. So I will say Thank you to Sarah and Andrew, this place has certainly been to me exactly what it was intended for...tortoise knowledge. The laugh on here is an enjoyable bonus, and if anyone wants to be rude or ignorant, I just ignore it __________________ Busy Mum to ~ 2 Kids, 2 Yorkies, 1 Horsfield, 6 Hermanns, 2 Iberas, 6 Tunisians, 2 Indian Stars and 2 Pancakes

29-10-2010, 07:22 PM	#18
ziggy's owner Senior Member Adult Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: west midlands Posts: 4,152	We all have our ups and downs, and yeah some people make out they know it all, my words is try if it don't work try something else, I know I for one have had fall outs with people for saying something but as Sarah and Kelly say ignore it __________________ 2.0.0 spur thighs 2.3.0 hermanns 2.1.1 marginated 0.0.4 leopard 2.8.0 guinea pigs 1.2.0 Springers 1.0.0 hamster 0.0.1 Blue Tongue skink 2.2.0 Beardies And tropical fish Also have baby marginated tortoises for sale

29-10-2010, 02:45 PM	#12
swad1000 Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,702	Original poster, or thread starter if you like.

29-10-2010, 08:05 PM	#19
ibizathetort Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cheshire UK Posts: 2,453	I don't think anyone is looking for a member or members to be shown the door. I think sometimes order is needed when a thread gets personal. I admit to being in a right tiz last night on that thread until Bindi pulled it up for being personal. Sometimes that's what the forum is crying out for. Nobody is asking for a draconian policing of peoples views just a warning when posters get out of hand

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