Revenge Murder?

[Catwoman63]

Originally Posted by emma_mcraf

My friend's son committed manslaughter. The details of the crime are irrelevant here but he was pushed into a position where he had to defend himself or take a severe beating. His actions have had long-lasting effects on BOTH families. I've seen it all first-hand.
So I know all too well that a child can commit an offence and how badly the mother of the perpetrator has suffered for her son's crime.

Both the murderers of Jamie Bulger came from broken and dysfunctional families. Goodness knows what they had seen and heard in their 10 short years before committing their crime. One thing is for certain, I know that my kids at 10 wouldn't have a clue about the sort of abuse Jamie suffered. Pushing batteries into certain places, rubbing paint in his eyes, stoning and beating him....the little boy wasn't just murdered - he was tortured and abused first. They knew they had done wrong as they left him on a railway line, hoping a train would deal with the body.

The boys who killed him were already playing truant, stealing and perhaps even watching porn in their homes.
There's a bit about their upbringing here http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/n...drelationships

Their time away from their families clearly did not make any difference to their rehabilitation. There has been no remorse. Instead, as a fully grown man, Jon Venables chose to access child pornography. Who knows what he would be capable of and what a threat he poses to society?

The families had to take new identities and make new lives elsewhere. I'm sure the social services kept a very good eye on the families. The siblings have probably grown up and are now adults themselves.

Good parenting doesn't prevent these crimes, but it goes a long way towards bringing up children who have respect and know right from wrong.

So in answer to your question Ann, I think every one of us is capable of committing murder. I would undoubtedly do so and willingly do the time in prison if the crime was to protect my nearest and dearest. I know my husband and eldest sons would do the same to protect their family. But I also know they'd never premeditate a murder, let alone torture and abuse a person, especially a child.

I agree here, premeditated murder with torture and of a sexual nature of a 2-3 year old child should be hanged or electrocuted. If my 10 year old did this to a 2-3 year old I would never feel the same about him let alone touch him affectionately. X

[Merlin M]

I can never get my head round justification for the death penalty. You have killed someone intentionally, so we will intentionally kill you? It makes society no better than a murderer, makes someone doing their job a murdered - do they then have to die, they have committed the same crime its still premeditated murder!



"An eye for an eye leaves the world blind"

[zx4g]

Oh merlin, where's the like button ✅

[pagan queen]

Originally Posted by Pussygalore

Babies aren't born bad but somewhere along the way have seen/learned bad behaviour to end up as out of control children or children capable of doing something this awfull,

Total load of baloney. Babies are born bad, they can be born with a mental condition called psychopathy. That is not a learned condition it is a brain condition. There are many many cases of perfectly respectable families who have raised children and one turns out to be a serial killer, the rest are perfectly normal people. Just one example. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1...nderworld.html
Far too many people believe the stereotype of a killer as someone brought up by drug addicts or alcoholics. It's not always the case.

As for the rest of the debate, I totally agree that he deserved what he got. If he had come out of prison and conformed to society like Robert Thompson then maybe he would not have got his comeuppance but he didn't. He continued to break the law and went back to prison. He showed no remorse for the heinous crime he committed and had the audacity to blame the childs mother for not looking after her child. The only shame is that someone else had to commit a crime to bring this abomination to his final justice. (fingers crossed) The death penalty is, in my eyes, something that we should bring back and I for one would be happy to push a button to end the life of someone like him.
If you think I'm a bad person for saying this then so be it. When you have had a child abused then you too may feel like I do about this and if not then you have no idea of the powerful hatred you can feel toward the perpetrator of the crime. You have no idea how it changes you, destroys what you had with your child, how your life is never the same again.
And as for saying it's the parents fault for not looking after their child, the person who abused my daughter was her step aunt and she was 12 years old, my daughter was 2. Just typing this message has brought back so much emotion that I am physically shaking and I can feel my heart pounding in my chest, just like I did when I found my baby being abused.

So yes if it's true, I'm ecstatic that another piece of scum has been removed from this earth and would pat the perpetrator on the back if ever I met him.

[becciwales]

Wendy, I need a like button!
I totally agree!
Having been at the hands of an abuser, no one can know what it is like unless they have been there.
We are all entitled to our opinions, this is mine, if it is him, it is just desserts, it's only a shame that someone else had to commit that crime and do wrong themselves.
If anyone wishes to dislike for my opinion, feel free. If it makes me a bad person in your eyes, then so be it, it's neither the first nor the last time I'll be thought badly of. Until you have walked on those shoes, just be mindful, you don't understand.

[emma_mcraf]

I think emotions run high on this issue because of the initial crime - the heinous and deliberate abuse, torture and murder of a child. in many ways it feels a travesty that a thief goes to prison and so does a murderer, often for less time than an armed robber who may not have killed anyone. You could argue that if the punishment for theft is imprisonment, then the punishment for murder must be exponentially more severe, because human life is more valuable than any material item. The punishment should acknowledge the loss of an innocent human life.
If Jon Venables has been murdered, his life was far from an innocent one.

I am not condoning the murder that took place, not least because I understand the pain the family of the murderer will now go through. Jon Venables' family have probably been expecting an attack ever since he was released from prison, especially knowing what a big mouth he has, presuming they have any contact with him.
I agree that the perpetrator needs to face an unbiased jury but morally it seems unfair that we as taxpayers have to fund the new identities of Jamie Bulger's murderers and that includes his family. They are also paying for the protection of their son's murderers.
The death penalty is there to bring murderers to justice. Is it morally right? If it was my child that was murdered, I wouldn't hesitate to watch the execution of the person who took their life.
I can see why it raises questions of morality and justification but as a mother, I can view it on a personal level, empathise with Jamie Bulger's parents, and can't help but think that if a murder didn't occur, neither would an execution.

[pagan queen]

If a murderer faced the death penalty they would die humanely, painlessly. Their victim was not afforded that privilege and in most cases were innocent. The death of a murderer is not the same as that of an innocent. What right does someone who has taken an innocent life have to live out their life in relative comfort at the expense of tax paying decent citizens? If they saw fit to remove someone's right to life why should they have that right? If the death penalty was in existence in this country the person responsible for the alleged death of Venables would still be free.

[becciwales]

The thing that makes the world interesting is that we all have different opinions and none of us are necessarily wrong.

[Merlin M]

Originally Posted by pagan queen

If a murderer faced the death penalty they would die humanely, painlessly. Their victim was not afforded that privilege and in most cases were innocent. The death of a murderer is not the same as that of an innocent. What right does someone who has taken an innocent life have to live out their life in relative comfort at the expense of tax paying decent citizens? If they saw fit to remove someone's right to life why should they have that right? If the death penalty was in existence in this country the person responsible for the alleged death of Venables would still be free.

Because somewhere we have to draw a line, every life is important and no one has the right to kill someone. Somewhere we have a duty to stop, killing one more person only makes the crime all the worse, two lives for one!

But who am I to comment I dont have children

[pagan queen]

The life of someone who has no thought for the life and humanity of another is not a life worthy of preservation. The ending of that life is not murder it is execution. Ask the parents and families of murder victims if it would make the crime worse, the vast majority would say no.

The last line was a cheap shot.