11-10-2012, 12:22 AM | #11 | |
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Well... tell me and the others... the temperatures that all the testudo experience in the wild.
Keep in mind they have access to burrows and such. Control... it's all about control. They have total control in the wild. It's ironic how certain camps preach a natural aspect yet submit total control. Quote:
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11-10-2012, 12:33 AM | #12 | |
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As she is slowing down now and eating less, how are you going to keep her going through the winter? Surely she is going to lose more weight being kept as she is than in hibernation? Some people say why hibernate? If they lived over here in UK, they would find how difficult it is to keep them from hiding away and not wanting to eat! |
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That is so wrong.
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11-10-2012, 03:57 AM | #14 | |
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She has her heat lamps to dance around in and I give her a lush warm bath a couple of times a week which seem to give her some form of an appetite. I'm sure we'll be very happy together. I have to say I'm surprised how touchy people are on here, I only asked 1 question but I feel like I've commited a sin. |
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Can you give us some pointers on how to keep old mature tortoises awake that are beginning to eat very little/refuse to eat and move away from the lamps and just sleep?
These are healthy tortoises that have been outdoors in the summer, eating and active. NB I have posted this as a generalisation question, not with mine or anyone else's tortoises specifically in mind. |
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It's not impossible but your reptile centre's estimate of 10 years old at 100mm seems a bit unlikely, I'd put money your own estimate of 3 years old being more accurate. Post a photo on here and we may be able to tell |
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This was an interesting one http://www.shelledwarriors.co.uk/for...ight=Brumation
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11-10-2012, 10:58 AM | #18 | |
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What's with your current obsession with 'Natural' and 'Wild', aren't these captive animals being kept out of their natural range. I was just pointing out one possible scenario for your vague statement below. "If you insist on putting the animal through hibernation... the more natural the better." I've never preached on the "Natural Aspect", I'm just pro fridge hibernation compared to the more traditional (rat lunch) box method. (I've not tried any other methods so I don't like to advise or comment on them.) I'm not in any 'camp', if a keeper prefers not to hibernate that's fine with me. Regarding "TOTAL CONTROL", actually I don't have control over all of the hibernation, my girl winds herself down, she hasn't quite learnt how to turn her heat lamp on and off yet so I tend to do that for her. But she decides to stop eating and how much heat she wants and at the moment that isn't a lot. As you have pointed out I do have 'total control' when she is in her fridge, I gradually drop her temperature down to about 5.5°C over a few days, she will then lose less than 2% of her body weight over an 'unnaturally long' hibernation. Totally unnatural, but it works and after I get her up she is a very perky big girl, running around and eating in under 48 hours. Just so you know she also has an unnatural glass covered house with an unnatural heat lamp or two, a couple of square foot of unnatural thermostatically controlled under floor heating, unnatural additives on her food which for the most part are plants that she probably wouldn't find naturally in wild. Etc etc etc............................. |
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I'll stop using the phrases.
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