Horsfields' Subspecies - Page 2

piglet · 08-07-2009, 09:32 PM

In my opinion I wouldnt worry about it lou as we cant be certain of locality the adults where originally collected , they are all still Horsfields just your babies are captive bred locality type unkown My females are if we go by Dans sub species two T.h.kazachstanica , one male T.h.horsfieldii and a pair of T.h.rustamovi Darren

Hazel · 08-07-2009, 09:41 PM

Mine are from you as well Darren, one of them in particular is quite flat on top and very very yellow, which sounds like Kazachstanica characteristics from what I've read here.
Interesting topic!

piglet · 08-07-2009, 09:50 PM

Lou and Hazel yours are all bred from Ellie and Tammy with hamburger as the sire Ellie is Yellow highly domed (kazachstanica) Tammy is olive not so domed (rustamovi) and the hamburger is dark small and brown rather flattish so possible the type T.h.horsfieldii I cant remember now which dams where your babies where from but which ever they are are all of mixed sub types , but as said they are all still horsfields and again of regional type unknown Darren

Hazel · 08-07-2009, 09:53 PM

I love the name Hamburger

Have you ever posted pics of your Horsfields, Darren? I'd love to see them (not so much because of this sub-type discussion, but because I'd love to see the parents of my little ones!

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piglet · 08-07-2009, 10:22 PM

They are on here some where , I have forgotten how to upload pics , been away to long I will sort it soon enough though as I get back into it,

Mine are all out side right now hidden away so taking fresh pics will take time.

The Hamburger was from a confiscated assignment thats how I know his type they where imported directly from country of Orgin before they where siezed The females are all originally imports too but petshop bought so they arent 100% identifiable, but going by Dans pictures and discription I would say they are what he describes

Darren

terrancetort21 · 08-07-2009, 10:38 PM

I would like to get in contact with piglet as you are the closet breeder to my area, im unsire on how to use this site so anyway you could give some direction im interested in horsfields. thanks

Lou · 08-07-2009, 10:40 PM

not worried Darren

just very interested.... all three of my horsfields look very different shapes and colouring ... tI would love to see piccies of your guys to if you can find them x

ahhh Hazel, that means we have little siblings

Hazel · 09-07-2009, 07:13 AM

Yes we do!

I'm going to have to look at pics of yours again now Lou to look for family resemblance

I searched and found a pic of Ellie, she is gorgeous!

dae · 10-07-2009, 10:43 PM

Wow- so judging frokm what Darren says my Winston CAN still breed with the different subspecies then?

Hazel · 11-07-2009, 10:51 AM

All the subspecies can physically breed with each other, it depends on whether you want to keep the subspecies breeding separately or not I guess
If you're not bothered then no harm in having Winston with your others

08-07-2009, 09:32 PM	#11
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	In my opinion I wouldnt worry about it lou as we cant be certain of locality the adults where originally collected , they are all still Horsfields just your babies are captive bred locality type unkown My females are if we go by Dans sub species two T.h.kazachstanica , one male T.h.horsfieldii and a pair of T.h.rustamovi Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

08-07-2009, 09:41 PM	#12
Hazel Member Juvenile Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 853	Mine are from you as well Darren, one of them in particular is quite flat on top and very very yellow, which sounds like Kazachstanica characteristics from what I've read here. Interesting topic! __________________

08-07-2009, 09:50 PM	#13
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Lou and Hazel yours are all bred from Ellie and Tammy with hamburger as the sire Ellie is Yellow highly domed (kazachstanica) Tammy is olive not so domed (rustamovi) and the hamburger is dark small and brown rather flattish so possible the type T.h.horsfieldii I cant remember now which dams where your babies where from but which ever they are are all of mixed sub types , but as said they are all still horsfields and again of regional type unknown Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

08-07-2009, 09:53 PM	#14
Hazel Member Juvenile Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 853	I love the name Hamburger Have you ever posted pics of your Horsfields, Darren? I'd love to see them (not so much because of this sub-type discussion, but because I'd love to see the parents of my little ones! ) __________________

08-07-2009, 10:22 PM	#15
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	They are on here some where , I have forgotten how to upload pics , been away to long I will sort it soon enough though as I get back into it, Mine are all out side right now hidden away so taking fresh pics will take time. The Hamburger was from a confiscated assignment thats how I know his type they where imported directly from country of Orgin before they where siezed The females are all originally imports too but petshop bought so they arent 100% identifiable, but going by Dans pictures and discription I would say they are what he describes Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

08-07-2009, 10:38 PM	#16
terrancetort21 Junior Member Egg Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 6	I would like to get in contact with piglet as you are the closet breeder to my area, im unsire on how to use this site so anyway you could give some direction im interested in horsfields. thanks

08-07-2009, 10:40 PM	#17
Lou Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wigan - Greater Manchester Posts: 1,172	not worried Darren just very interested.... all three of my horsfields look very different shapes and colouring ... tI would love to see piccies of your guys to if you can find them x ahhh Hazel, that means we have little siblings __________________ Louise... Horsfield: 1.0.2 Walter / Izzy / Tilly Redfoot : 1.3.0 Ruby / Scarlet / Merlot / Ginger Goldfish : 0:0:1 Splodge Bearded Dragon : 0:1:0 Zuki Springer Spaniel : 1:0:0 Bailey

09-07-2009, 07:13 AM	#18
Hazel Member Juvenile Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 853	Yes we do! I'm going to have to look at pics of yours again now Lou to look for family resemblance I searched and found a pic of Ellie, she is gorgeous! __________________

10-07-2009, 10:43 PM	#19
dae Member Hatchling Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 548	Wow- so judging frokm what Darren says my Winston CAN still breed with the different subspecies then? __________________ Dae A herd of Horsefields Radiata- Humperdink & friends A Bengal Kitten called Anakin

11-07-2009, 10:51 AM	#20
Hazel Member Juvenile Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 853	All the subspecies can physically breed with each other, it depends on whether you want to keep the subspecies breeding separately or not I guess If you're not bothered then no harm in having Winston with your others __________________

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