pet shops !

geordie mark · 11-05-2008, 08:54 PM

been to 2 today at the team valley trading estate (which is in gateshead too anyone else)
first one had a little hermann for 190 pounds about 3" with pyramiding which was living with two massive bearded dragons ....
and the other had a VERY ...VERY small herman which i doubt was an inch long sitting with its head under a piece of mixed salad the poor thing didnt move 99 quid
and they had an indian star not much bigger in the same vivarium ! 225 pounds

was dissapointed too see nobody gave a toss abouot these amazing creatures

**Eire_Ade** · 11-05-2008, 08:59 PM

Hi Mark,

Did you approach the pet shop owners? Unfortunately the majority of these establishments are in it soley for the money, not for the welfare, care or aftercare of these animals.

You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink, all you can do is go armed with information and see if it makes a difference, sometimes it might surprise you but you have to do these things tactfully.

Ade

geordie mark · 11-05-2008, 09:18 PM

sorry ade no i didnt i wanted too but these didnt seem the type of people too mess with ! well the people who were serving didnt seem too be and im only 17 until the 24th so they would have either bashed me head in or just laughed me away what gets me is they pretend too know what there talking about aswell and there good at it !

**Eire_Ade** · 11-05-2008, 09:31 PM

Try posting a care sheet annonomously to the manager of the shop!!!

Ade

tortoiseboy · 12-05-2008, 12:45 PM

The pet shop i got one of my tortoises has a tortoise in with a few lizards.
i just opened the viv and put him in with the other torts

hbvet · 13-05-2008, 10:11 PM

feel free to pm me the details, I like ringing them all up and asking for advice... the TPG are also worth contacing to help, I have been sending them all the details of torts with "bad backgrounds". I have managed to speak to a few petshops, offer advice and send them care sheets etc in the vague hope they sit up and listen ( as a vet it does help ..... occasionally!)

Pussygalore · 14-05-2008, 07:55 AM

Sorry Josh but although your intentions were good there might have been a reason the tort was separate from the others, what if it hadn't been well by your putting it in with the others you now could have given the others the same illness, if you have a problem with any shop etc you can always go back with an adult or get in touch with your local council but charging in like a bull in a china shop doesn't work, walk away and think before you act or say something, the situation won't change (get any worse) if you take time out and make a decision that will work.

Pussygalore · 14-05-2008, 08:25 AM

Sorry plus Josh you have inadvertently said why petshops have to have their animals under lock and key, for the animals security and safety, I'm surprised there wasn't a lock on the viv as if you could take it out so could anyone else, including someone who may have fancied using it as a football. I'm not condoning petshops I hate them as much as anyone else but while the law allows them to sell livestock lockable vivs are the safest place for valuable animals and the best we can hope to acheive is that the vivs are decent sizes, animals separated and provided with shelter, food and water, I've seen people reaching in and fussing even feeding rabbits etc even with signs saying " Don't Touch " I'd like to see all livestock not sold in shops but thats unlikely to happen.

gtm · 14-05-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pussygalore

Sorry plus Josh you have inadvertently said why petshops have to have their animals under lock and key, for the animals security and safety, I'm surprised there wasn't a lock on the viv as if you could take it out so could anyone else, including someone who may have fancied using it as a football. I'm not condoning petshops I hate them as much as anyone else but while the law allows them to sell livestock lockable vivs are the safest place for valuable animals and the best we can hope to acheive is that the vivs are decent sizes, animals separated and provided with shelter, food and water, I've seen people reaching in and fussing even feeding rabbits etc even with signs saying " Don't Touch " I'd like to see all livestock not sold in shops but thats unlikely to happen.

I hate 'bad' petshops but I have alot of time for the increasing number of specialist reptile shops who have good knowledge and keep their animals in decent conditions. It is unfair (and factually incorrect) to label all petshops as bad.

Pussygalore · 14-05-2008, 10:17 AM

don't start George I didn't label them as all bad, just don't like seeing animals sold in shops.

11-05-2008, 08:54 PM	#1
geordie mark Member Juvenile Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: south shields, NE, England Posts: 920	pet shops ! been to 2 today at the team valley trading estate (which is in gateshead too anyone else) first one had a little hermann for 190 pounds about 3" with pyramiding which was living with two massive bearded dragons .... and the other had a VERY ...VERY small herman which i doubt was an inch long sitting with its head under a piece of mixed salad the poor thing didnt move 99 quid and they had an indian star not much bigger in the same vivarium ! 225 pounds was dissapointed too see nobody gave a toss abouot these amazing creatures __________________ Mark. T.H.Hercegvenensis 1.0.0 S.P. Babcocki 0.1.0 Chelonoidis Carbonaria 0.1.0 (My Parents) West Highland White Terrier 1.0.0 Scottish Terrier 1.0.0

11-05-2008, 08:59 PM	#2
Eire_Ade Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 8,422	Hi Mark, Did you approach the pet shop owners? Unfortunately the majority of these establishments are in it soley for the money, not for the welfare, care or aftercare of these animals. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink, all you can do is go armed with information and see if it makes a difference, sometimes it might surprise you but you have to do these things tactfully. Ade __________________ Ade ----------------------------------------------- Y.O.B 1971 (40 years young! ) My Tortoises :- Dug (Testudo Graeca Ibera Terrestris (Syrian), Penny, JJ (JennyJack), Buttons and Gem (Testudo Graeca Ibera)

11-05-2008, 09:18 PM	#3
geordie mark Member Juvenile Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: south shields, NE, England Posts: 920	sorry ade no i didnt i wanted too but these didnt seem the type of people too mess with ! well the people who were serving didnt seem too be and im only 17 until the 24th so they would have either bashed me head in or just laughed me away what gets me is they pretend too know what there talking about aswell and there good at it ! __________________ Mark. T.H.Hercegvenensis 1.0.0 S.P. Babcocki 0.1.0 Chelonoidis Carbonaria 0.1.0 (My Parents) West Highland White Terrier 1.0.0 Scottish Terrier 1.0.0

11-05-2008, 09:31 PM	#4
Eire_Ade Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 8,422	Try posting a care sheet annonomously to the manager of the shop!!! Ade __________________ Ade ----------------------------------------------- Y.O.B 1971 (40 years young! ) My Tortoises :- Dug (Testudo Graeca Ibera Terrestris (Syrian), Penny, JJ (JennyJack), Buttons and Gem (Testudo Graeca Ibera)

13-05-2008, 10:11 PM	#6
hbvet Member Hatched Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Madeley, Cheshire Posts: 449	feel free to pm me the details, I like ringing them all up and asking for advice... the TPG are also worth contacing to help, I have been sending them all the details of torts with "bad backgrounds". I have managed to speak to a few petshops, offer advice and send them care sheets etc in the vague hope they sit up and listen ( as a vet it does help ..... occasionally!) __________________ hb

12-05-2008, 12:45 PM	#5
tortoiseboy Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: My house Posts: 1,340	The pet shop i got one of my tortoises has a tortoise in with a few lizards. i just opened the viv and put him in with the other torts

14-05-2008, 07:55 AM	#7
Pussygalore Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cambridge Posts: 6,479	Sorry Josh but although your intentions were good there might have been a reason the tort was separate from the others, what if it hadn't been well by your putting it in with the others you now could have given the others the same illness, if you have a problem with any shop etc you can always go back with an adult or get in touch with your local council but charging in like a bull in a china shop doesn't work, walk away and think before you act or say something, the situation won't change (get any worse) if you take time out and make a decision that will work.

14-05-2008, 08:25 AM	#8
Pussygalore Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cambridge Posts: 6,479	Sorry plus Josh you have inadvertently said why petshops have to have their animals under lock and key, for the animals security and safety, I'm surprised there wasn't a lock on the viv as if you could take it out so could anyone else, including someone who may have fancied using it as a football. I'm not condoning petshops I hate them as much as anyone else but while the law allows them to sell livestock lockable vivs are the safest place for valuable animals and the best we can hope to acheive is that the vivs are decent sizes, animals separated and provided with shelter, food and water, I've seen people reaching in and fussing even feeding rabbits etc even with signs saying " Don't Touch " I'd like to see all livestock not sold in shops but thats unlikely to happen.

14-05-2008, 10:17 AM	#10
Pussygalore Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cambridge Posts: 6,479	don't start George I didn't label them as all bad, just don't like seeing animals sold in shops.

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