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No , this beats the wild for sure ...
Here you can really study them ! http://shelledwarriors.co.uk/forum/s...ad.php?t=10195 Quote:
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Taken out of context... a common tactic among some folks.
Let me put it back in context. I've actually learned which is how that setup came about. There are certain species like the Egyptian and Chaco tortoise... among others that do not do well outdoors through most of the year through most of the states in the US and thrive in such a set up as many experienced keepers have learned... the hard way. It's like using pellets... their needs can be met by different means if you fully understand the animal. It is so easy to throw the animal out in the yard if you are lucky enough to live in a climate that will allow you to do so but it is a totally different thing to provide for the animal 100% from start to finish. Oh... they are not in the wild. They are totally dependent on the keeper unless the keeper lives in their native habitat. I get the impression that most new keepers come to this forum to learn how these animals are kept in captivity... pets. One other btw... why not post some photos of my outdoor enclosures? Quote:
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Please don't let this scare you... passions run high on both ends of the spectrum... and all have something you can learn from.
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It's quite presumptious to believe that the average keeper can know let alone duplicate the tortoise 'natural' environment. Even the 'experienced' keeper makes a huge assumption when they say they know what the 'natural' habitat is like. Again... most researchers... serious keepers... only see a tiny snippet of the animal in the wild when they are fortunate enough to see that animal in the wild.
There are different mindsets. There are those who try to understand what the animal actually needs and there are those who try to provide what the keeper thinks they need. In captivity... sometimes the bland enclosure is better for the survival of the animal... in captivity. Quote:
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Keeping any animal in a bland enclosure is even condemed by modern zoo's who now see benefit's from stimulating animal's for the well being of the animal's .
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That's cool... and not a surprise.
I guess you need to work with more species. Sometimes... simpler is better. Is that the only way to keep tortoises...no... it all depends. It is not black and white. Sometimes a natural environment is the way to go... sometimes a sterile environment is the only way to go with some species... and stages of species. Quote:
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Typical. The thread was actually going somewhere.
It is a tennis match. There is point and counter point. Each pass draws out some information from each perspective.
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