Pre Alpin Testudo - Page 3

NATURALIS · 22-12-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirkie

RFM,

Predation and fire are two more big killers. Im not sure what percentage of deaths are dietry related, would love to read that reference if you have it Dan.

Next year it'll be poo samples from March to december, see how it varies. I still think that the pics are the net result of the gross eaten by the tortoises and that the other dietry content has beenvvirtually fully utilised. I may have to pull a poo
apart, see how closely it resembles what went in.

Its gonna be a long winter....

Wendy,

Maybe in ten years or so.

yes thats a very valid point about fire and predation , so the odds are stacked against them reaching a good age without considering there diet !

Kirkie · 22-12-2010, 11:45 AM

I agree with what you've said above as it's exactly what I was aiming for. I said at the start I wanted to mimic the spring glut, dry summer, autumn regrowth.
I haven't said at any point that pre alpin has become their main diet. Its a supplemented supplement outside of July, when it's given alongside dried weeds as the bulk of the diet.

Kirkie · 22-12-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by red foot marg

yes thats a very valid point about fire and predation , so the odds are stacked against them reaching a good age without considering there diet !

I know how they feel!

jonesy · 22-12-2010, 01:05 PM

I am putting a shipping order for the pre alpin foods after new year (3rd) If you want some email me and I will let you have the prices.
Every sale makes a donation to 2 tortoise charities to help in rescue and care of tortoises. (Jill Martin Fund & BATK)
thanks

**egyptiandan64** · 22-12-2010, 01:39 PM

The life span is just the life span in the wild. There are many factors that influence how old a tortoise gets in the wild. Food and food availability are just a couple of many factors.

Danny

seeshells · 22-12-2010, 02:20 PM

I'm still not convinvced of the logic of shipping this Pre Alpin stuff here, paying the not inconsiderable costs when it isn't a nutritionally analysed diet. It's just a collection of good sounding stuff which as shown from that link
to JR farm foods can be built up yourself for a less money and without the interational shipping.
You could even buy it here: http://www.shelledwarriorsshop.co.uk...eeds-173-c.asp
Select a few dried herbs and grass pellets and stuf and cut out the middle man. I'd still give it a try of course, but if y'r keen on an engineered food then perhaps adding nutritionally designed pellets from the likes of Komodo might be a better bet.

Helen M · 22-12-2010, 02:21 PM

I have bought some of this to mix in with the salad leaves my tortoises are currently living off due to the snow and lack of weeds. They have taken to it well. For me it wasn't about mimicking wild conditions, rather just adding some extra fibre in their diet whilst weeds are off the menu this winter.

Helen xx

NATURALIS · 22-12-2010, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesy

I am putting a shipping order for the pre alpin foods after new year (3rd) If you want some email me and I will let you have the prices.
Every sale makes a donation to 2 tortoise charities to help in rescue and care of tortoises. (Jill Martin Fund & BATK)
thanks

I bought mine direct , cost for 12.5kg is £29.00, plus post £16.07, total delivered £45.07 , just wondered how your prices compare ?

EJ · 22-12-2010, 02:55 PM

Haven't seen any photos of the animals raised on this stuff.

Kirkie · 22-12-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stells

The thing i guess i don't understand is... why do you want to mimic that... i already know the answer i think... and if what i am thinking is right... you are also going to know my reply...

Ha ha. Yep you know my answer and I know your question to that answer

The only way I can respond is to say...
Wait til you see the swamp I'm building for
my Spotted Turtles.

22-12-2010, 01:05 PM	#24
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22-12-2010, 01:39 PM	#25
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	The life span is just the life span in the wild. There are many factors that influence how old a tortoise gets in the wild. Food and food availability are just a couple of many factors. Danny __________________

22-12-2010, 02:20 PM	#26
seeshells Junior Member Egg Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Deepest darkest suffolk Posts: 11	I'm still not convinvced of the logic of shipping this Pre Alpin stuff here, paying the not inconsiderable costs when it isn't a nutritionally analysed diet. It's just a collection of good sounding stuff which as shown from that link to JR farm foods can be built up yourself for a less money and without the interational shipping. You could even buy it here: http://www.shelledwarriorsshop.co.uk...eeds-173-c.asp Select a few dried herbs and grass pellets and stuf and cut out the middle man. I'd still give it a try of course, but if y'r keen on an engineered food then perhaps adding nutritionally designed pellets from the likes of Komodo might be a better bet. __________________ [Unable to spell without my electronic prosthetic and alas, unaugmented most of the time.]

22-12-2010, 02:55 PM	#29
EJ Senior Member Adult Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 8,277	Haven't seen any photos of the animals raised on this stuff. __________________ Ed Tortoise Keerpers @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tortoise_Keepers and http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/284442591651347/ Trying to keep the fun in Chelonian care

22-12-2010, 11:45 AM	#22
Kirkie Senior Member Adult Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,887	I agree with what you've said above as it's exactly what I was aiming for. I said at the start I wanted to mimic the spring glut, dry summer, autumn regrowth. I haven't said at any point that pre alpin has become their main diet. Its a supplemented supplement outside of July, when it's given alongside dried weeds as the bulk of the diet.

22-12-2010, 02:21 PM	#27
Helen M Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,362	I have bought some of this to mix in with the salad leaves my tortoises are currently living off due to the snow and lack of weeds. They have taken to it well. For me it wasn't about mimicking wild conditions, rather just adding some extra fibre in their diet whilst weeds are off the menu this winter. Helen xx

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