Herman but which one is it?

[Esio Trot II]

http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/y...&current=A%2BM
http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/y...current=Arthur
http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/y...&current=Mable

Hi there these are my 2 Testudo Hermanni, but i don't know what subspecies they are. I would be very appreciative of any comments, and i need to know what Hermanni they are.

The female is 144mm long and weighs 697g (layed first clutch this year)

The male is 122mm long and weighs 467g

They are both around 8 years old.

Thankyou

[egyptiandan64]

Your pair are both T.hermanni hercegovinensis

Danny

[Esio Trot II]

Thankyou, out of interest how do you tell and are there only 3 subspecies?

[egyptiandan64]

Here's a great thread telling the differences between the 3 subspecies
http://www.shelledwarriors.co.uk/for...read.php?t=243
Here are the ranges of the 3 subspecies.
http://www.shelledwarriors.co.uk/for...ad.php?t=15627
Yes, right now there are only 3 subspecies.

Danny

[Esio Trot II]

Thankyou Danny, very helpful indeed, i agree that they must be Hercegovinensis.
The only thing is their black plastral pigment is patchy and faded like that of T.h. Boettgeri.
What do you think?

[Geomyda]

Originally Posted by Esio Trot II

Thankyou, out of interest how do you tell and are there only 3 subspecies?

According to the BCG 2009 appeal, published in their Newsletter, no 186. CARAPAX claim a fourth sub species T hermanni polopponesica?
As far as I can establish, this is the only written reference to this claim. However, with CARAPAX/ RANA, there are many claims which require proper clarification.