Spur thigh but what sort?

perry · 25-03-2007, 06:05 PM

This Graeca was given to me last year, he's my smallest although ive been told he's at least 15 years old. He's only 650 grammes, ive taken a photo of him with my Greaca Graeca's to show his colour and size only. He is still in quarentine. He is much darker than the rest. Any help identifying him welcome. He seems fully growm to me.

He seems to have 2 small spurs each side.

Thanks
Perry

piglet · 25-03-2007, 06:10 PM

Hi Perry

I would think this male is a northern/ northeastern Morrocan boardering Algeria region ,Morrocan TGG.

Darren

perry · 25-03-2007, 06:23 PM

Hi Darren

Thanks,

I've never been so confused as i have been today.

Perry

piglet · 25-03-2007, 06:29 PM

Perry , TGG are the hardest group by far for id'ing so your not alone I often find it confusing

If ever in any doubt though you acn always get an expert opinion by mailin pics to Andy Highfield via the tortotoise trust,
Andy has worked in the field with these tortoises he is a could learning point for id help

If you go to the start page you can email him from there. http://www.tortoisetrust.org/

Darren

perry · 25-03-2007, 06:33 PM

Hi

Thanks,

My main concern though, is that I can keep all spur thighs together and all hermanns together whatever the region they are from.

Perry

piglet · 25-03-2007, 06:40 PM

Perry no not really

1 x breeding would result in fertile eggs from the male TGG and the whitei basically produceing mule offspring.
2 , Whitei are prone to RNS if mixed with other types such as Ibera or hermanns

Darren

perry · 25-03-2007, 06:49 PM

Hi

I did not mean spurs and hermanns together.

I'm gonna post another picture of all the spurs that live together, they are different sizes but all look similar

Perry

Henry-flash · 25-03-2007, 06:55 PM

The one at the front in the middle looks like an ibera to me, so that would need to be seperated for a start.

piglet · 25-03-2007, 06:56 PM

Perry you have two Iberas ,two Whitei and one Morrocan in that group.

They will hybridise freely if left to gether , the Iberas look female ,but these will also become fertile by the Whitei/M ,TGG

Whitei and TGG'S are very prone to RNS when mixed with Ibera, they are more likely to contract it than if you were to mix hermans with Ibera

Darren

perry · 25-03-2007, 07:03 PM

Hi

Im re posting the photo with Numbers on the torts, I have already been told that 3(HARRY) and 5(TITANIC) are graeca graecs whitei.

Can you please tell me what you think the rest are again please.

Perry

25-03-2007, 06:05 PM	#1
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	Spur thigh but what sort? This Graeca was given to me last year, he's my smallest although ive been told he's at least 15 years old. He's only 650 grammes, ive taken a photo of him with my Greaca Graeca's to show his colour and size only. He is still in quarentine. He is much darker than the rest. Any help identifying him welcome. He seems fully growm to me. He seems to have 2 small spurs each side. Thanks Perry __________________ Regards Perry ========================

25-03-2007, 06:10 PM	#2
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Hi Perry I would think this male is a northern/ northeastern Morrocan boardering Algeria region ,Morrocan TGG. Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

25-03-2007, 06:23 PM	#3
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	Hi Darren Thanks, I've never been so confused as i have been today. Perry __________________ Regards Perry ========================

25-03-2007, 06:29 PM	#4
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Perry , TGG are the hardest group by far for id'ing so your not alone I often find it confusing If ever in any doubt though you acn always get an expert opinion by mailin pics to Andy Highfield via the tortotoise trust, Andy has worked in the field with these tortoises he is a could learning point for id help If you go to the start page you can email him from there. http://www.tortoisetrust.org/ Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

25-03-2007, 06:33 PM	#5
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	Hi Thanks, My main concern though, is that I can keep all spur thighs together and all hermanns together whatever the region they are from. Perry __________________ Regards Perry ========================

25-03-2007, 06:40 PM	#6
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Perry no not really 1 x breeding would result in fertile eggs from the male TGG and the whitei basically produceing mule offspring. 2 , Whitei are prone to RNS if mixed with other types such as Ibera or hermanns Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

25-03-2007, 06:49 PM	#7
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	Hi I did not mean spurs and hermanns together. I'm gonna post another picture of all the spurs that live together, they are different sizes but all look similar Perry __________________ Regards Perry ========================

25-03-2007, 06:55 PM	#8
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	The one at the front in the middle looks like an ibera to me, so that would need to be seperated for a start. __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

25-03-2007, 06:56 PM	#9
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Perry you have two Iberas ,two Whitei and one Morrocan in that group. They will hybridise freely if left to gether , the Iberas look female ,but these will also become fertile by the Whitei/M ,TGG Whitei and TGG'S are very prone to RNS when mixed with Ibera, they are more likely to contract it than if you were to mix hermans with Ibera Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

25-03-2007, 07:03 PM	#10
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	Hi Im re posting the photo with Numbers on the torts, I have already been told that 3(HARRY) and 5(TITANIC) are graeca graecs whitei. Can you please tell me what you think the rest are again please. Perry __________________ Regards Perry ========================

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