Is he Graeca or Iberia

perry · 25-03-2007, 10:05 AM

Even though there are superb photo's showing the differences between graecs and iberias, i would love an opinion of my torts either through photos or getting an expert round to get their views. Im gonna try to put some photo's on. Any help most welcome.
Perry

This is Harry 8"long 1400 grammes, 40 years old, i thought he was an iberia?

Henry-flash · 25-03-2007, 10:09 AM

I think I would go with Testudo graeca graeca, but have to see what others say.
Any chance of a plastron shot?

perry · 25-03-2007, 10:09 AM

Another one.
This is Titanic
I thought she was Iberia also
2800 grammes 25cm long. 35 years old.

perry · 25-03-2007, 10:13 AM

Hi,
Thanks for the reply
It seems I'm getting things wrong, I was under the impression that graeca graecas were always much smaller than Iberias?
If i'm getting this wrong i think i need to invite someone round so as i can get my pens in order.

Perry

Henry-flash · 25-03-2007, 10:16 AM

ID'ing is quite new for me and I'm just giving it a go. They do show characteristics of Tgg, but I may be wrong. Best to see what Darren and Dan think

perry · 25-03-2007, 10:22 AM

Thanks Peter,

I will be posting pics of my hermanns, cos the photos i see on here, of hermanni hermanni and boegteri, my adults look like boegteri and my babies look like hermanni, i'm going MAD.

Perry

25-03-2007, 11:02 AM

It's unlikely that your babies are Thh but if you put pics of the plastrons, side views of the head and rear view of carapace we will be able to ID them for you

terrypin · 25-03-2007, 11:18 AM

hi i would say tgg but im sure plastron shots will confirm this.if harry is a boy then he is quite large for a tgg perhaps a photo of his tail and spurs would help with identification of sub species.
terry

perry · 25-03-2007, 11:48 AM

Hi all
Thanks for helping
Here's Harry's tail and spurs

jeff · 25-03-2007, 11:59 AM

they both are Tgg

25-03-2007, 10:05 AM	#1
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	Is he Graeca or Iberia Even though there are superb photo's showing the differences between graecs and iberias, i would love an opinion of my torts either through photos or getting an expert round to get their views. Im gonna try to put some photo's on. Any help most welcome. Perry This is Harry 8"long 1400 grammes, 40 years old, i thought he was an iberia? __________________ Regards Perry ========================

25-03-2007, 10:09 AM	#2
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	I think I would go with Testudo graeca graeca, but have to see what others say. Any chance of a plastron shot? __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

25-03-2007, 10:09 AM	#3
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	what is she Another one. This is Titanic I thought she was Iberia also 2800 grammes 25cm long. 35 years old. __________________ Regards Perry ========================

25-03-2007, 10:13 AM	#4
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	Hi, Thanks for the reply It seems I'm getting things wrong, I was under the impression that graeca graecas were always much smaller than Iberias? If i'm getting this wrong i think i need to invite someone round so as i can get my pens in order. Perry __________________ Regards Perry ========================

25-03-2007, 10:16 AM	#5
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	ID'ing is quite new for me and I'm just giving it a go. They do show characteristics of Tgg, but I may be wrong. Best to see what Darren and Dan think __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

25-03-2007, 10:22 AM	#6
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	Thanks Peter, I will be posting pics of my hermanns, cos the photos i see on here, of hermanni hermanni and boegteri, my adults look like boegteri and my babies look like hermanni, i'm going MAD. Perry __________________ Regards Perry ========================

25-03-2007, 11:02 AM	#7
wizzasmum Guest Posts: n/a	It's unlikely that your babies are Thh but if you put pics of the plastrons, side views of the head and rear view of carapace we will be able to ID them for you

25-03-2007, 11:18 AM	#8
terrypin Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: jersey c.i. Posts: 2,928	hi i would say tgg but im sure plastron shots will confirm this.if harry is a boy then he is quite large for a tgg perhaps a photo of his tail and spurs would help with identification of sub species. terry __________________ these are my own opinions do with them what you will. _________________

25-03-2007, 11:48 AM	#9
perry Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 275	Hi all Thanks for helping Here's Harry's tail and spurs __________________ Regards Perry ========================

25-03-2007, 11:59 AM	#10
jeff Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,180	they both are Tgg __________________

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