Help to ID this guy please

Torterra · 09-12-2012, 12:08 PM

I found this guy in my local aquatics shop. They say they usually keep turtles in outdoor pond, but currently they have backyard refit and they brought the adult turtles indoor to where they usually keep koi and goldfish stock. Form what I can see they have a large group of YBS and they look good, there was one guy who is stying separate from the crowd. He has a grey stuff on his shell.

Who is he? I can see there is other of his kind on the log with the rest of YBS

And this

I advised them to get any sort of a basking light because currently turtles do not have any light/ heat spot above the pond at all. They go out in any case, to dry themselves up.

**egyptiandan64** · 09-12-2012, 01:24 PM

The one staying by herself is a False map turtle, Graptemys pseudogeographica pseudogeographica. On the log (from left to right), the one getting out looks to be a Cumberland slider, Trachemys scripta troostii, the second one is a map turtle and looks to be a Ouachita map turtle, Graptemys ouachitensis, on top of the 2 turtle pile is a Yellow-bellied slider, Trachemys scripta scripta and on bottom a Cooter, Pseudemys concinna, the next one is also a Cooter, Pseudemys concinna, the very last one hiding at the bottom of the picture is a slider and looks to be another Cumberland slider, Trachemys scripta troostii.

Danny

Torterra · 10-12-2012, 02:50 AM

Thank you Dan, I will try and take a better pictures of those turtles. If I can take a picture of plastron and close up shell. Shouldn't both maps be the same species?
All these turtles are housed together, can they cross breed?

**egyptiandan64** · 10-12-2012, 01:22 PM

With breeding it always depends on if there is a male in the bunch

but the short and sweet answer is yes that they can all cross breed.

Danny

Torterra · 14-12-2012, 05:14 PM

Not great news

Can maps live with Mud turtles if the setup is right size, like a small pond?

Will my randy baurii male be interested in Map girls? Will maps cross breed with muds?

**egyptiandan64** · 15-12-2012, 01:06 AM

Muds/Musks are found in the wild with Map turtles and they don't cross breed.

The only problem with adding a Map turtle is that Maps like deep water and Muds don't usually like their water deep.

Danny

09-12-2012, 12:08 PM	#1
Torterra Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: England, SE Posts: 1,396	Help to ID this guy please I found this guy in my local aquatics shop. They say they usually keep turtles in outdoor pond, but currently they have backyard refit and they brought the adult turtles indoor to where they usually keep koi and goldfish stock. Form what I can see they have a large group of YBS and they look good, there was one guy who is stying separate from the crowd. He has a grey stuff on his shell. Who is he? I can see there is other of his kind on the log with the rest of YBS And this I advised them to get any sort of a basking light because currently turtles do not have any light/ heat spot above the pond at all. They go out in any case, to dry themselves up. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1.2.0 Geoshelone elegans (Indian Star) 1.2.1 Kinosternon Bauri (Three Striped mud turtles) 0.0.2 Sternotherus Carinatus (Razorback Musk Turtle) http://kinosternon-baurii.blogspot.co.uk/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

09-12-2012, 01:24 PM	#2
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	The one staying by herself is a False map turtle, Graptemys pseudogeographica pseudogeographica. On the log (from left to right), the one getting out looks to be a Cumberland slider, Trachemys scripta troostii, the second one is a map turtle and looks to be a Ouachita map turtle, Graptemys ouachitensis, on top of the 2 turtle pile is a Yellow-bellied slider, Trachemys scripta scripta and on bottom a Cooter, Pseudemys concinna, the next one is also a Cooter, Pseudemys concinna, the very last one hiding at the bottom of the picture is a slider and looks to be another Cumberland slider, Trachemys scripta troostii. Danny __________________ Last edited by egyptiandan64; 09-12-2012 at 01:26 PM.

10-12-2012, 02:50 AM	#3
Torterra Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: England, SE Posts: 1,396	Thank you Dan, I will try and take a better pictures of those turtles. If I can take a picture of plastron and close up shell. Shouldn't both maps be the same species? All these turtles are housed together, can they cross breed? __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1.2.0 Geoshelone elegans (Indian Star) 1.2.1 Kinosternon Bauri (Three Striped mud turtles) 0.0.2 Sternotherus Carinatus (Razorback Musk Turtle) http://kinosternon-baurii.blogspot.co.uk/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

10-12-2012, 01:22 PM	#4
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	With breeding it always depends on if there is a male in the bunch but the short and sweet answer is yes that they can all cross breed. Danny __________________

14-12-2012, 05:14 PM	#5
Torterra Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: England, SE Posts: 1,396	Not great news Can maps live with Mud turtles if the setup is right size, like a small pond? Will my randy baurii male be interested in Map girls? Will maps cross breed with muds? __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1.2.0 Geoshelone elegans (Indian Star) 1.2.1 Kinosternon Bauri (Three Striped mud turtles) 0.0.2 Sternotherus Carinatus (Razorback Musk Turtle) http://kinosternon-baurii.blogspot.co.uk/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

15-12-2012, 01:06 AM	#6
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Muds/Musks are found in the wild with Map turtles and they don't cross breed. The only problem with adding a Map turtle is that Maps like deep water and Muds don't usually like their water deep. Danny __________________

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