Can hatchlings be born with RNS from Parents

Razz · 15-02-2009, 07:08 PM

Hi,

Just wondering can hatchlings be born with RNS if both parents are suffers with it?

If so can they carry it for a long time before any signs?

sandy · 15-02-2009, 07:22 PM

I wouldnt have thought so, but not one hundred percent sure. Eggs are hatched in an incubator of some sort, then usually kept seperate from adults. This is for private breeders.
I suppose if the conditions had anything to do with the rns, and hatchlings kept the same then there might be a possiblity.

15-02-2009, 07:24 PM

like sandy i would think not, however i am not sure i would attempt to breed from any animal that was not in full health

**Bindi** · 15-02-2009, 07:32 PM

There have been some studies done by a Professor Mary Brown, one of the scientists who identified microplasa as being a cause of RNS. However the studies to see whether microplasma can be transmitted from an infected female to egg were inconclusive
I think I got that right, I have the whole interview somewhere, it makes very interesting reading to anyone interested in RNS

linda · 15-02-2009, 08:26 PM

http://www.tortoise.org/archives/brown1.html

Paulg1 · 16-02-2009, 05:08 AM

Really good question. Being RNS is a broad term it would be hard to nail down if it can pass through to an egg. There is bacterial and viral forms so I guess it's a possibility but doubtful. I'll be Ed has an answer, maybe?

sandy · 16-02-2009, 08:20 AM

Microplasma is supposed to be in every tortoise, stress and bad husbandry usually make it surface and cause problems.

**Bindi** · 16-02-2009, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linda

http://www.tortoise.org/archives/brown1.html

That's the one, Linda, really really interesting

Razz · 16-02-2009, 03:34 PM

Thanks for the replies and link - very informative

**egyptiandan64** · 17-02-2009, 12:45 AM

No it can't be transferred to the hatchling through the egg. My female Libyan greeks always seem to be getting a runny nose (just need to look at them funny

) Not a one of the 13 hatchlings, some now 3 years old, that are still here has ever had RNS.
Like Sandy said it is always with a WC tortoise and comes out at times of stress. So if your hatchling has RNS it has been exposed to the bacteria from the adults.

Danny

15-02-2009, 07:08 PM	#1
Razz Junior Member Egg Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Almondsbury Posts: 6	Can hatchlings be born with RNS from Parents Hi, Just wondering can hatchlings be born with RNS if both parents are suffers with it? If so can they carry it for a long time before any signs?

15-02-2009, 07:22 PM	#2
sandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 12,146	I wouldnt have thought so, but not one hundred percent sure. Eggs are hatched in an incubator of some sort, then usually kept seperate from adults. This is for private breeders. I suppose if the conditions had anything to do with the rns, and hatchlings kept the same then there might be a possiblity. __________________ < > 60+, keeping ibera, graeca and box turtles \0/ /_\ http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/tortoisefriends

15-02-2009, 07:32 PM	#4
Bindi Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,157	There have been some studies done by a Professor Mary Brown, one of the scientists who identified microplasa as being a cause of RNS. However the studies to see whether microplasma can be transmitted from an infected female to egg were inconclusive I think I got that right, I have the whole interview somewhere, it makes very interesting reading to anyone interested in RNS __________________

16-02-2009, 05:08 AM	#6
Paulg1 Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,116	Really good question. Being RNS is a broad term it would be hard to nail down if it can pass through to an egg. There is bacterial and viral forms so I guess it's a possibility but doubtful. I'll be Ed has an answer, maybe? __________________ 0.1.0 G. sulcata/Larry 0.1.0 G. pardalis babcocki/Leo 1.0.0 G. pardalis pardalis/Tino "Stop the world, I want to get off!"

16-02-2009, 08:20 AM	#7
sandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 12,146	Microplasma is supposed to be in every tortoise, stress and bad husbandry usually make it surface and cause problems. __________________ < > 60+, keeping ibera, graeca and box turtles \0/ /_\ http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/tortoisefriends

15-02-2009, 07:24 PM	#3
purplelinda Guest Posts: n/a	like sandy i would think not, however i am not sure i would attempt to breed from any animal that was not in full health

15-02-2009, 08:26 PM	#5
linda Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: west midlands Posts: 17,134	http://www.tortoise.org/archives/brown1.html

16-02-2009, 03:34 PM	#9
Razz Junior Member Egg Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Almondsbury Posts: 6	Thanks for the replies and link - very informative

17-02-2009, 12:45 AM	#10
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	No it can't be transferred to the hatchling through the egg. My female Libyan greeks always seem to be getting a runny nose (just need to look at them funny ) Not a one of the 13 hatchlings, some now 3 years old, that are still here has ever had RNS. Like Sandy said it is always with a WC tortoise and comes out at times of stress. So if your hatchling has RNS it has been exposed to the bacteria from the adults. Danny __________________

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