Uni' torts

Ajay · 15-11-2007, 06:53 PM

I know I've asked you guys to help me id these same torts before but I now have better pictures, plastron shots where requested and also discovered another tortoise in the set up.. So, can we start again please? For my clarification. The people in charge of these tortoises told me today they've had a "reptile expert" (I'm not putting his name on here..) identify, age (???) and sex them all. Either the man in question is mistaken or they've payed no attention whatsoever - tell me there's not three hermanns in this group!!

Tortoise one: a "male spurthigh", underside and plastron shot. The white is paint, used for telling them apart. Don't get me started

Tortoise two: a "male hermanns" (*cough*), underside and plastron shot. The red is paint, see above

Tortoise three: (larger) "male hermanns", underside

Tortoise four: (smaller) "male hermanns", underside, plastron and side - to show shell shape, damage, nails and to attempt to show his beak - my friend who helped me take the pictures even exclaimed at the state of him (she's only seen my little girls)

Tortoise five: "female leopard", just the tail. Today is the first time I've seen her move - because I picked her up

Their food.. we identified: rocket, cauliflower, cauliflower leaves and aubergene... (not needing identification - or sexing!, I'm just cross that they've ignored all the stuff I gave them when I visited last - we even have the Andy Highfield feeding book in the library

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I'm not putting the name of the place on this post. If you can't work it out please feel free to pm me

Henry-flash · 15-11-2007, 07:02 PM

Not attempted ID'ing for a while so here goes.
1 - Male, Testudo graeca graeca.
2 - Male, Testudo graeca graeca, morroco.
3 - Male, Testudo hermanni boettgeri.
4 - Male, I was thinking along the lines of ibera, but then I looked again and confused myself

sandy · 15-11-2007, 07:27 PM

Well I for one wouldnt take any notice of so called expert. They have not got a clue<g>.
First a graeca I think, would help with a top shot.
Second a hermans.
Third graeca.
Forth unknown without a carapace shot.
Are they sure their expert isnt a tree expert in disguise<g>.

Ajay · 15-11-2007, 07:48 PM

Er Sandy? They all have carapace and plastron shots

Thanks guys

lol quite possibly, will await people's opinions on him should they ask who he is

Can anyone sex the leopard tortoise for me please?

midi-mania · 15-11-2007, 10:30 PM

omg! i feel sorry for the second to last tortoise

its shell looks soo bad

are they kept together ?!? dont they have any weeds ?!?

Ajay · 15-11-2007, 11:20 PM

They're kept in this:

This is the reason I'm writing my enclosure design on these tortoises - last year someone did theirs on the rabbits concluding they needed grass.. Now the rabbits have grass (that's right, they didn't before).

If my assignment has no effect, the endless list of complaints will. I talk about my girlies so much that my class and friends are disgusted at the state of that poor little fellow (he looked better than that two years ago when I first got here) and all complained to the powers that be..

I'll have them sorted or removed one way or another!

midi-mania · 15-11-2007, 11:58 PM

thats trible!, if you dont mind me asking what are the big trays full of water with bricks in them for??? they look like a tortoise would have trouble getting in and out? especialy if its one of the smaller torts

**egyptiandan64** · 16-11-2007, 12:45 AM

Hi Ajay,
The pictures aren't quite in order so I'll go picture by picture.

1st picture........plastron of a male T. g. graeca
2nd picture.......carapace of a male T. h. boettgeri
3rd picture........plastron of a male T. g. graeca
4th picture........carapace of a male T. g. graeca
5th picture.........plastron of a male T. h. boettgeri
6th picture.........plastron of a male T. g. nabeulensis
7th picture.........carapace of a male T. g. nabeulensis
8th picture.........carapace of a male T. g. nabeulensis
9th picture.........female S. p. babcocki

Danny

sandy · 16-11-2007, 07:33 AM

Lol if the pictures were in order my list would make more sense<g>.
As I did wonder if the one before the leopard was a tunisian.

Ajay · 22-11-2007, 12:05 AM

Argh! Lol sorry guys! My bad. Thanks heaps though. If you need more/clearer pictures from more angles of something to be more sure please say so, I want as definate an answer as I can get. Thanks again!!

Midi-mania, they're cat litter trays with bricks in them for drinking/bathing water. The little hermanns couldn't reach with a ladder, the leopard can make it in easily but out is a different story and the others don't even try.

You also don't want to know how much muck, litter and hair ends up in their enclosure instead of the bin..

When I finally get to meet whoever's incharge (they always pass the buck when you ask) I'll ask if I can have them rehomed. They're never going to look after them properly.

15-11-2007, 06:53 PM	#1
Ajay Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: May 2007 Location: Durham Posts: 1,000	Uni' torts I know I've asked you guys to help me id these same torts before but I now have better pictures, plastron shots where requested and also discovered another tortoise in the set up.. So, can we start again please? For my clarification. The people in charge of these tortoises told me today they've had a "reptile expert" (I'm not putting his name on here..) identify, age (???) and sex them all. Either the man in question is mistaken or they've payed no attention whatsoever - tell me there's not three hermanns in this group!! Tortoise one: a "male spurthigh", underside and plastron shot. The white is paint, used for telling them apart. Don't get me started Tortoise two: a "male hermanns" (cough), underside and plastron shot. The red is paint, see above Tortoise three: (larger) "male hermanns", underside Tortoise four: (smaller) "male hermanns", underside, plastron and side - to show shell shape, damage, nails and to attempt to show his beak - my friend who helped me take the pictures even exclaimed at the state of him (she's only seen my little girls) Tortoise five: "female leopard", just the tail. Today is the first time I've seen her move - because I picked her up Their food.. we identified: rocket, cauliflower, cauliflower leaves and aubergene... (not needing identification - or sexing!, I'm just cross that they've ignored all the stuff I gave them when I visited last - we even have the Andy Highfield feeding book in the library ) I'm not putting the name of the place on this post. If you can't work it out please feel free to pm me __________________ Ajay xxx 0.0.2 Testudo hermanni boettgeri 0.0.2 Geochelone carbonaria 0.0.1 Testudo horsfieldii 1.0.0 Eublepharis macularius 1.0.0 Canis familiaris I am no longer a student; AT LAST!!

15-11-2007, 07:02 PM	#2
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	Not attempted ID'ing for a while so here goes. 1 - Male, Testudo graeca graeca. 2 - Male, Testudo graeca graeca, morroco. 3 - Male, Testudo hermanni boettgeri. 4 - Male, I was thinking along the lines of ibera, but then I looked again and confused myself __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

15-11-2007, 07:27 PM	#3
sandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 12,146	Well I for one wouldnt take any notice of so called expert. They have not got a clue<g>. First a graeca I think, would help with a top shot. Second a hermans. Third graeca. Forth unknown without a carapace shot. Are they sure their expert isnt a tree expert in disguise<g>. __________________ < > 60+, keeping ibera, graeca and box turtles \0/ /_\ http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/tortoisefriends

15-11-2007, 07:48 PM	#4
Ajay Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: May 2007 Location: Durham Posts: 1,000	Er Sandy? They all have carapace and plastron shots Thanks guys lol quite possibly, will await people's opinions on him should they ask who he is Can anyone sex the leopard tortoise for me please? __________________ Ajay xxx 0.0.2 Testudo hermanni boettgeri 0.0.2 Geochelone carbonaria 0.0.1 Testudo horsfieldii 1.0.0 Eublepharis macularius 1.0.0 Canis familiaris I am no longer a student; AT LAST!!

15-11-2007, 10:30 PM	#5
midi-mania Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: mersyside Posts: 1,058	omg! i feel sorry for the second to last tortoise its shell looks soo bad are they kept together ?!? dont they have any weeds ?!? __________________ Gav

15-11-2007, 11:20 PM	#6
Ajay Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: May 2007 Location: Durham Posts: 1,000	They're kept in this: This is the reason I'm writing my enclosure design on these tortoises - last year someone did theirs on the rabbits concluding they needed grass.. Now the rabbits have grass (that's right, they didn't before). If my assignment has no effect, the endless list of complaints will. I talk about my girlies so much that my class and friends are disgusted at the state of that poor little fellow (he looked better than that two years ago when I first got here) and all complained to the powers that be.. I'll have them sorted or removed one way or another! __________________ Ajay xxx 0.0.2 Testudo hermanni boettgeri 0.0.2 Geochelone carbonaria 0.0.1 Testudo horsfieldii 1.0.0 Eublepharis macularius 1.0.0 Canis familiaris I am no longer a student; AT LAST!!

15-11-2007, 11:58 PM	#7
midi-mania Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: mersyside Posts: 1,058	thats trible!, if you dont mind me asking what are the big trays full of water with bricks in them for??? they look like a tortoise would have trouble getting in and out? especialy if its one of the smaller torts __________________ Gav

16-11-2007, 12:45 AM	#8
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Hi Ajay, The pictures aren't quite in order so I'll go picture by picture. 1st picture........plastron of a male T. g. graeca 2nd picture.......carapace of a male T. h. boettgeri 3rd picture........plastron of a male T. g. graeca 4th picture........carapace of a male T. g. graeca 5th picture.........plastron of a male T. h. boettgeri 6th picture.........plastron of a male T. g. nabeulensis 7th picture.........carapace of a male T. g. nabeulensis 8th picture.........carapace of a male T. g. nabeulensis 9th picture.........female S. p. babcocki Danny __________________

16-11-2007, 07:33 AM	#9
sandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 12,146	Lol if the pictures were in order my list would make more sense<g>. As I did wonder if the one before the leopard was a tunisian. __________________ < > 60+, keeping ibera, graeca and box turtles \0/ /_\ http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/tortoisefriends

22-11-2007, 12:05 AM	#10
Ajay Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: May 2007 Location: Durham Posts: 1,000	Argh! Lol sorry guys! My bad. Thanks heaps though. If you need more/clearer pictures from more angles of something to be more sure please say so, I want as definate an answer as I can get. Thanks again!! Midi-mania, they're cat litter trays with bricks in them for drinking/bathing water. The little hermanns couldn't reach with a ladder, the leopard can make it in easily but out is a different story and the others don't even try. You also don't want to know how much muck, litter and hair ends up in their enclosure instead of the bin.. When I finally get to meet whoever's incharge (they always pass the buck when you ask) I'll ask if I can have them rehomed. They're never going to look after them properly. __________________ Ajay xxx 0.0.2 Testudo hermanni boettgeri 0.0.2 Geochelone carbonaria 0.0.1 Testudo horsfieldii 1.0.0 Eublepharis macularius 1.0.0 Canis familiaris I am no longer a student; AT LAST!!

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