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EJ · 08-01-2013, 06:51 PM

Oh thank you Danny. That makes it so much more clear.

In all seriousnes... how long has it now been valid and how long was it valid for?

Quote:

Originally Posted by egyptiandan64

Google Testudo graeca antakyensis Suze

Though it's not valid now as the name is now a junior synonym of Testudo graeca terrestris.

Danny

**egyptiandan64** · 08-01-2013, 06:53 PM

No it doesn't

but that's the way it is

Which one Ed?
Here's the designation of a neotype for Testudo graeca terrestris done in 2004 http://www.asiatic-herpetological.or...2010/10_10.pdf which makes T.g.antakyensis a synonym of T.g.terrestris.

Danny

EJ · 08-01-2013, 07:12 PM

No. Today... maybe... depending on which group you are talking to... That is if it is accepted... by who and who determins this... I don't know. The author you cite is highly controvercial in taxonomic circles.

Regardless... I hope the OP sees the point of all this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by egyptiandan64

No it doesn't

but that's the way it is

Which one Ed?
Here's the designation of a neotype for Testudo graeca terrestris done in 2004 http://www.asiatic-herpetological.or...2010/10_10.pdf which makes T.g.antakyensis a synonym of T.g.terrestris.

Danny

Gordon · 08-01-2013, 07:55 PM

I am more confused now are we saying its terrestris or is it a Moroccan or are the two pretty much the same thing

Suze65 · 08-01-2013, 07:55 PM

I understand TG Antakyensis is the same as T G Terrestris ( Golden Greek ), can you explain what T G Nebulensis and T G Cyrenaica and T G Linnaus , hope I've got that all correct.

It does look a lot like a Golden Greek ( none expert point of view )

Gordon · 08-01-2013, 07:59 PM

Thats what i was told it was and a few people have said it is

TillyTortoise · 08-01-2013, 08:00 PM

Whatever it is, I want it

Suze65 · 08-01-2013, 08:03 PM

But Gordon you've got Golden Greeks!!! Can't you tell what it is?

I know, it's a tortoise, hehe.

**egyptiandan64** · 08-01-2013, 08:05 PM

Not a pointed enough face to be T.g.terrestris. Nope Alan still saying it's T.g.marokkensis which isn't the same thing as T.g.terrestris.

Well Suze the valid subspecies in North Africa are, T.g.soussensis (southern Morocco), T.g.marokkensis (central to northwestern Morocco), T.g.graeca (northeastern Morocco, Algeria, northwestern Tunisia), T.g.nabeulensis (Tunisia, western Libya), T.g.cyrenaica (Libya)
T.g.linnaus isn't a valid subspecies

Linnaeus is who named Spur-thighs Testudo graeca in 1758

Danny

EJ · 08-01-2013, 08:07 PM

I bring this up during all these 'discussions'... I know of two different groups who have been trying to sort out the Testudo complex taxonomicaly. They said it would take a couple of years... that was almost 10 years ago... I don't believe either has come to a conclusion.

...but Danny can look at it and tell you what it is.

08-01-2013, 06:53 PM	#12
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	No it doesn't but that's the way it is Which one Ed? Here's the designation of a neotype for Testudo graeca terrestris done in 2004 http://www.asiatic-herpetological.or...2010/10_10.pdf which makes T.g.antakyensis a synonym of T.g.terrestris. Danny __________________ Last edited by egyptiandan64; 08-01-2013 at 06:59 PM.

08-01-2013, 07:55 PM	#15
Suze65 Senior Member Adult Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,769	I understand TG Antakyensis is the same as T G Terrestris ( Golden Greek ), can you explain what T G Nebulensis and T G Cyrenaica and T G Linnaus , hope I've got that all correct. It does look a lot like a Golden Greek ( none expert point of view ) __________________ Suze. 3 THB, Sammy, Jemima, & Phoebe 7 Marginated, Tabitha, Ptolome, Tatiana, Noah,Lottey, Lulu & Poppy 1 TGG (Emma) RIP Feb 2012

08-01-2013, 08:00 PM	#17
TillyTortoise Senior Member Adult Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Vale of Glamorgan, South Wales Posts: 2,327	Whatever it is, I want it __________________ Ross

08-01-2013, 08:03 PM	#18
Suze65 Senior Member Adult Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,769	But Gordon you've got Golden Greeks!!! Can't you tell what it is? I know, it's a tortoise, hehe. __________________ Suze. 3 THB, Sammy, Jemima, & Phoebe 7 Marginated, Tabitha, Ptolome, Tatiana, Noah,Lottey, Lulu & Poppy 1 TGG (Emma) RIP Feb 2012 Last edited by Suze65; 08-01-2013 at 08:06 PM.

08-01-2013, 08:05 PM	#19
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Not a pointed enough face to be T.g.terrestris. Nope Alan still saying it's T.g.marokkensis which isn't the same thing as T.g.terrestris. Well Suze the valid subspecies in North Africa are, T.g.soussensis (southern Morocco), T.g.marokkensis (central to northwestern Morocco), T.g.graeca (northeastern Morocco, Algeria, northwestern Tunisia), T.g.nabeulensis (Tunisia, western Libya), T.g.cyrenaica (Libya) T.g.linnaus isn't a valid subspecies Linnaeus is who named Spur-thighs Testudo graeca in 1758 Danny __________________ Last edited by egyptiandan64; 08-01-2013 at 08:08 PM.

08-01-2013, 07:55 PM	#14
Gordon Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,675	I am more confused now are we saying its terrestris or is it a Moroccan or are the two pretty much the same thing

08-01-2013, 07:59 PM	#16
Gordon Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 5,675	Thats what i was told it was and a few people have said it is

08-01-2013, 08:07 PM	#20
EJ Senior Member Adult Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 8,277	I bring this up during all these 'discussions'... I know of two different groups who have been trying to sort out the Testudo complex taxonomicaly. They said it would take a couple of years... that was almost 10 years ago... I don't believe either has come to a conclusion. ...but Danny can look at it and tell you what it is. __________________ Ed Tortoise Keerpers @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tortoise_Keepers and http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/284442591651347/ Trying to keep the fun in Chelonian care

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