could u please id my tortoises - Page 3

Kirkie · 24-01-2010, 11:52 PM

Very nice tortoises. I'm a bit jealous cause you've got a male Herc, my girls would love him

helsbells · 25-01-2010, 06:58 AM

Thanks Kirkie ive been trying to find more information about them on the internet but it seems there is not alot known about them loads of info on Hermanni Hermanni and Boettgeri. They are all lovely tortoises and each got their own character and funny ways. Now i know what species they are will keep my eyes open for another female to go with them.
Helen

Kirkie · 25-01-2010, 01:45 PM

They are the great "lost" tortoise, lost to science for years and still not recognised as a genuine sub species by all.

I've got 4 females and two unsexed youngsters (they're girls, I know they are

).

Interesting that you had sucessful hatchlings. I've read, and Dan has also said, that far greater hatchling sucess is achieved if the incubation temperature is a degree or two lower than those used for T H Boettgeri. So a maximum of 30 degrees C even for female Temperature Dependant Sexing. If you incubated at around 27, I'd assume you'd get males (hint, hint

).

I can recommend Wolfgang Wegehautt's website which has a lot of info and a field study of T H Hercegovinensis (Dalmatian tortoise is so much easier to type!)
http://www.testudo-farm.de/html/dalmatian_tortoise.html

And his book, which has sub species specific information on Dalmatian's.
http://www.testudo-farm.de/html/book.html

helsbells · 25-01-2010, 03:22 PM

Thanks Kirkie i am so pleased i know what sub species they are. I will have a look at the website you said about and also find out about the book. Maybe my little baby Tiwi is a boy as he was incubated about 27 or 28, the eggs i got incubating at the moment are at about 30. Will candle them in about 10 days to see if they are fertile

HermanniChris23 · 26-01-2010, 03:42 AM

Agreed with Dan, T. h. hercegovinensis. T.h hermanni typically lay 2 eggs at a time but only 1 egg is quite common and several adult females of mine can and do lay up to 4 in one nesting.

helsbells · 26-01-2010, 06:52 AM

Hi thanks HermanniChris23 have had a look at the Garden State Tortoise site very interesting site. From the information i've looked at it seems as though there aren't many of the T.h. hercegovinenis in the UK but quite alot in the USA. So are they quite rare or is it because people assume they are one of the other sub species of Hermanns?

EJ · 01-02-2010, 08:30 PM

How did you conclude the last one, a male, was hercegovinensis?

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Originally Posted by egyptiandan64

Everyone is close

All 3 Helen are T.h.hercegovinensis

They all look nice.

Danny

helsbells · 06-01-2013, 07:40 PM

I am a bit confused as they were all id as Hercegovinesis and i have seen that the 2010 hatchlings that Emma has from the 2nd female and the male have been id as THB how can that be??

TillyTortoise · 06-01-2013, 08:28 PM

I'd have said -

#1 Testudo hermanni hercegovinensis
#2 T. h. boettgeri
#3 T. h. hercegovinensis

emma_mcraf · 06-01-2013, 08:31 PM

Hmmmm......that could explain things.

26-01-2010, 03:42 AM	#25
HermanniChris23 Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 584	Agreed with Dan, T. h. hercegovinensis. T.h hermanni typically lay 2 eggs at a time but only 1 egg is quite common and several adult females of mine can and do lay up to 4 in one nesting. __________________ VISIT MY SITES: WWW.HERMANNIHAVEN.COM WWW.GARDENSTATETORTOISE.COM

06-01-2013, 07:40 PM	#28
helsbells Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southampton Posts: 726	I am a bit confused as they were all id as Hercegovinesis and i have seen that the 2010 hatchlings that Emma has from the 2nd female and the male have been id as THB how can that be?? __________________ 1:2:0 THB 2:3:6 Leopards

06-01-2013, 08:28 PM	#29
TillyTortoise Senior Member Adult Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Vale of Glamorgan, South Wales Posts: 2,327	I'd have said - #1 Testudo hermanni hercegovinensis #2 T. h. boettgeri #3 T. h. hercegovinensis __________________ Ross

06-01-2013, 08:31 PM	#30
emma_mcraf Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 11,365	Hmmmm......that could explain things. __________________ Emma Testudo Hermanni 5.12.2:Theo, Tamara, Tabitha, Harriet, Isabelle, Clara, Oscar, Hugo, Oliver, Florence, Arabella, Esmé, Aurelia, Felicia, Claudia, Atticus, Celestia, Amaris, Tristan and Clementine Budgies: Jasper, Ivo, Otis, Henry, Louie and Luca Doggies: 1.1.0 Chester and Lottie

24-01-2010, 11:52 PM	#21
Kirkie Senior Member Adult Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,887	Very nice tortoises. I'm a bit jealous cause you've got a male Herc, my girls would love him

25-01-2010, 06:58 AM	#22
helsbells Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southampton Posts: 726	Thanks Kirkie ive been trying to find more information about them on the internet but it seems there is not alot known about them loads of info on Hermanni Hermanni and Boettgeri. They are all lovely tortoises and each got their own character and funny ways. Now i know what species they are will keep my eyes open for another female to go with them. Helen

25-01-2010, 01:45 PM	#23
Kirkie Senior Member Adult Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,887	They are the great "lost" tortoise, lost to science for years and still not recognised as a genuine sub species by all. I've got 4 females and two unsexed youngsters (they're girls, I know they are ). Interesting that you had sucessful hatchlings. I've read, and Dan has also said, that far greater hatchling sucess is achieved if the incubation temperature is a degree or two lower than those used for T H Boettgeri. So a maximum of 30 degrees C even for female Temperature Dependant Sexing. If you incubated at around 27, I'd assume you'd get males (hint, hint ). I can recommend Wolfgang Wegehautt's website which has a lot of info and a field study of T H Hercegovinensis (Dalmatian tortoise is so much easier to type!) http://www.testudo-farm.de/html/dalmatian_tortoise.html And his book, which has sub species specific information on Dalmatian's. http://www.testudo-farm.de/html/book.html

25-01-2010, 03:22 PM	#24
helsbells Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southampton Posts: 726	Thanks Kirkie i am so pleased i know what sub species they are. I will have a look at the website you said about and also find out about the book. Maybe my little baby Tiwi is a boy as he was incubated about 27 or 28, the eggs i got incubating at the moment are at about 30. Will candle them in about 10 days to see if they are fertile

26-01-2010, 06:52 AM	#26
helsbells Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southampton Posts: 726	Hi thanks HermanniChris23 have had a look at the Garden State Tortoise site very interesting site. From the information i've looked at it seems as though there aren't many of the T.h. hercegovinenis in the UK but quite alot in the USA. So are they quite rare or is it because people assume they are one of the other sub species of Hermanns?

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