need some advice

rachel30b · 23-08-2006, 08:48 PM

hi was bought a hermans tortoise as a gift about ten days ago been reading tonight on here that i should have a licence with him but was not given one was bought from pet shop, i am assuming he is a hermans as they look very much like a horsfield one, he is about 6 cm long and seems to be fine but am worried about this licence any advice would be appreciated

sandy · 23-08-2006, 08:57 PM

If he is a hermanns then he should have come with an article 10 certificate (yellow form).
If he is a horsfield then he would havent have any paperwork, as they are not a protected
speices yet.
A picture would help us ID him/her for you.

rachel30b · 23-08-2006, 09:06 PM

think i up loaded this right not sure thanks

sandy · 23-08-2006, 09:25 PM

Well it looks like a hermanns to me, so should have come with a certificate.
You need to go back to the place where you got him, and ask for the cetificate, otherwise
you will have problems later on with DEFRA when it comes to breeding etc.
Its against the law to sell endangered speices without the paperwork.
Sorry

**Eire_Ade** · 24-08-2006, 12:29 AM

Hi Rachael30b

If you have no joy with the pet shop I would be inclined to go to your local trading standards offoice who might be very interested that they are selling tortoises illegally without their article 10 paperwork.

Keep us updated. Definately a herman tortoise.

Ade

rachel30b · 24-08-2006, 07:25 AM

yes going to get my husband to phone him today , where do i stand if i dont get a license for him ?

sandy · 24-08-2006, 07:34 AM

Then you need to phone DEFRA. I am sure they will be only to happy to take the petshops
details<g>.

saucysqueezy · 24-08-2006, 11:37 AM

rachel if you have bought the tortoise in good faith and are being upfront and honest to DEFRA you should be ok and they hopefully won't take the tortoise away especially if they can see it's in a loving home now

You haven't broken the law, the shop owner has

rachel30b · 24-08-2006, 12:54 PM

hi husband pet shop he said we was right in wanting certificate and he was waiting for them, and took our name and address and is going to post it on so we will see

sandy · 24-08-2006, 03:07 PM

If you dont recieve the certificate in a week or two at the most, then if I were you I would
phone DEFRA. As the petshop should have the certificates ready when you bought the tortoise.
That way you will be covered.

23-08-2006, 08:48 PM	#1
rachel30b Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: horncastle lincs Posts: 1,168	need some advice hi was bought a hermans tortoise as a gift about ten days ago been reading tonight on here that i should have a licence with him but was not given one was bought from pet shop, i am assuming he is a hermans as they look very much like a horsfield one, he is about 6 cm long and seems to be fine but am worried about this licence any advice would be appreciated

23-08-2006, 08:57 PM	#2
sandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 12,146	If he is a hermanns then he should have come with an article 10 certificate (yellow form). If he is a horsfield then he would havent have any paperwork, as they are not a protected speices yet. A picture would help us ID him/her for you. __________________ < > 60+, keeping ibera, graeca and box turtles \0/ /_\ http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/tortoisefriends

23-08-2006, 09:06 PM	#3
rachel30b Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: horncastle lincs Posts: 1,168	pics think i up loaded this right not sure thanks

23-08-2006, 09:25 PM	#4
sandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 12,146	Well it looks like a hermanns to me, so should have come with a certificate. You need to go back to the place where you got him, and ask for the cetificate, otherwise you will have problems later on with DEFRA when it comes to breeding etc. Its against the law to sell endangered speices without the paperwork. Sorry __________________ < > 60+, keeping ibera, graeca and box turtles \0/ /_\ http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/tortoisefriends

24-08-2006, 12:29 AM	#5
Eire_Ade Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 8,422	Hi Rachael30b If you have no joy with the pet shop I would be inclined to go to your local trading standards offoice who might be very interested that they are selling tortoises illegally without their article 10 paperwork. Keep us updated. Definately a herman tortoise. Ade __________________ Ade ----------------------------------------------- Y.O.B 1971 (40 years young! ) My Tortoises :- Dug (Testudo Graeca Ibera Terrestris (Syrian), Penny, JJ (JennyJack), Buttons and Gem (Testudo Graeca Ibera)

24-08-2006, 07:25 AM	#6
rachel30b Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: horncastle lincs Posts: 1,168	hi yes going to get my husband to phone him today , where do i stand if i dont get a license for him ?

24-08-2006, 07:34 AM	#7
sandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 12,146	Then you need to phone DEFRA. I am sure they will be only to happy to take the petshops details<g>. __________________ < > 60+, keeping ibera, graeca and box turtles \0/ /_\ http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/tortoisefriends

24-08-2006, 11:37 AM	#8
saucysqueezy Member Incubating Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 166	rachel if you have bought the tortoise in good faith and are being upfront and honest to DEFRA you should be ok and they hopefully won't take the tortoise away especially if they can see it's in a loving home now You haven't broken the law, the shop owner has __________________

24-08-2006, 12:54 PM	#9
rachel30b Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: horncastle lincs Posts: 1,168	hi husband pet shop he said we was right in wanting certificate and he was waiting for them, and took our name and address and is going to post it on so we will see

24-08-2006, 03:07 PM	#10
sandy Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 12,146	If you dont recieve the certificate in a week or two at the most, then if I were you I would phone DEFRA. As the petshop should have the certificates ready when you bought the tortoise. That way you will be covered. __________________ < > 60+, keeping ibera, graeca and box turtles \0/ /_\ http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/tortoisefriends

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