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Catwoman63 · 09-03-2014, 07:43 PM

Oh no! Ok ill give you a call in the morning after I bath the horsfields x

becciwales · 09-03-2014, 08:31 PM

What on earth is a srurside tortous?!?!

becciwales · 09-03-2014, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TURNIP

Hmm you call me and i will tell you about it

What happened? The one you told me about?

**egyptiandan64** · 09-03-2014, 09:55 PM

Does look to be a female, but doesn't look Tunisians to me. Looks to be a Moroccan and probably doesn't have papers.

Danny

tortoiseuk · 09-03-2014, 10:04 PM

graeca graeca? Danny how do we distinguish the graeca graecas from morrocos and the ones from spain? or are they part of the same population?

burnt toast · 09-03-2014, 10:05 PM

Think morocans are marokensis?

**egyptiandan64** · 09-03-2014, 10:10 PM

Yes Moroccans are Testudo graeca marokkensis. Algerians and the tortoises in Spain are Testudo graeca graeca. The Spanish ones were brought over there 800 to 1000 years ago.

Danny

tortoiseuk · 09-03-2014, 10:23 PM

yeah, thats what I thought
apparently there were a few also in my home country (Portugal), but they were extinct 200-300 years ago.
Apparently there were hermans and graecas there, but fully extinct for a few centuries or more now.

A few people down south way inland still say they see a few tortoises on the olive fields now and again, but nothing has been proved and portuguese biologists say that most likely they saw Mauremys leprosa or Emys orbicularis.

tortoiseuk · 09-03-2014, 10:33 PM

I still hold the hope there is a very residual population somewhere or possibly a few of the ones across the border in spain are occupying free habitats back in Portugal as a lot of the agriculture has stopped now in Portugal and a lot of "free land" is available.

We are seeing similar results with other species now returning to occupy an habitat it was theirs a few centuries ago such as the Iberian lynx, the Red squirrel (he was officially extinct for centuries there and returned in the late 90's, I saw a few myself the last time I went home

populations of wolfs are on the increase also

grizley bear still missing officially but a few "sightings" on the north of portugal reported.

I suspect no one is actively searching or researching for the tortoises as they dont seem to be a priority like the lynx, I'll need to speak and give this idea to a few biologists friends to see if they can do anything about this

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09-03-2014, 08:31 PM	#22
becciwales Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Wales Posts: 3,438	What on earth is a srurside tortous?!?! __________________ Becci 1:2:0 Testudo Hermanni Boettgeri - Darwin, Galileo, and Einstein. Archimedes (THB) RIP June, 2018

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egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Does look to be a female, but doesn't look Tunisians to me. Looks to be a Moroccan and probably doesn't have papers. Danny __________________

09-03-2014, 10:04 PM	#25
tortoiseuk Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 392	graeca graeca? Danny how do we distinguish the graeca graecas from morrocos and the ones from spain? or are they part of the same population? __________________ 1.1.1 testudo horsfieldii 1.1.1 testudo hermanni hermanni (Corse) 0.3.0 testudo hermanni hermanni (Italy) 0.0.1 testudo kleinmanni 1.1.0 testudo hermanni boetgeri

09-03-2014, 10:10 PM	#27
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Yes Moroccans are Testudo graeca marokkensis. Algerians and the tortoises in Spain are Testudo graeca graeca. The Spanish ones were brought over there 800 to 1000 years ago. Danny __________________

09-03-2014, 10:05 PM	#26
burnt toast Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,246	Think morocans are marokensis?

09-03-2014, 10:23 PM	#28
tortoiseuk Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 392	yeah, thats what I thought apparently there were a few also in my home country (Portugal), but they were extinct 200-300 years ago. Apparently there were hermans and graecas there, but fully extinct for a few centuries or more now. A few people down south way inland still say they see a few tortoises on the olive fields now and again, but nothing has been proved and portuguese biologists say that most likely they saw Mauremys leprosa or Emys orbicularis. __________________ 1.1.1 testudo horsfieldii 1.1.1 testudo hermanni hermanni (Corse) 0.3.0 testudo hermanni hermanni (Italy) 0.0.1 testudo kleinmanni 1.1.0 testudo hermanni boetgeri

09-03-2014, 10:33 PM	#29
tortoiseuk Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 392	I still hold the hope there is a very residual population somewhere or possibly a few of the ones across the border in spain are occupying free habitats back in Portugal as a lot of the agriculture has stopped now in Portugal and a lot of "free land" is available. We are seeing similar results with other species now returning to occupy an habitat it was theirs a few centuries ago such as the Iberian lynx, the Red squirrel (he was officially extinct for centuries there and returned in the late 90's, I saw a few myself the last time I went home populations of wolfs are on the increase also grizley bear still missing officially but a few "sightings" on the north of portugal reported. I suspect no one is actively searching or researching for the tortoises as they dont seem to be a priority like the lynx, I'll need to speak and give this idea to a few biologists friends to see if they can do anything about this __________________ 1.1.1 testudo horsfieldii 1.1.1 testudo hermanni hermanni (Corse) 0.3.0 testudo hermanni hermanni (Italy) 0.0.1 testudo kleinmanni 1.1.0 testudo hermanni boetgeri Last edited by tortoiseuk; 09-03-2014 at 10:35 PM.

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