Horsfields' Subspecies

**egyptiandan64** · 11-06-2009, 12:41 AM

I finally took pictures.

The first will be T.h.horsfieldii. They are domed and almost as wide as long.
T.h.horsfieldii

The next will be T.h.rustamovi. They are domed, but narrow and long.
T.h.rustamovi

Danny

**egyptiandan64** · 11-06-2009, 12:46 AM

The last is T.h.kazachstanica. They are flat and almost as wide as long.
T.h.kazachstanica

Danny

Lolly8 · 11-06-2009, 01:07 AM

Thanks for showing these pictures!

I see the difference on the shell shape but the color of the shell looks pretty much the same?Is the color different only when they are babies? You showed your T.h.rustamovi and T.h.horsfieldii babies in another thread and their color is very different.

**egyptiandan64** · 11-06-2009, 01:49 AM

If they were clean

The T.h.kazachstanica are yellow. The T.h.horsfieldii are a darker yellow almost a brownish yellow. The T.h.rustamovi are olive greenish yellow.

Danny

Lolly8 · 11-06-2009, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by egyptiandan64

If they were clean

The T.h.kazachstanica are yellow. The T.h.horsfieldii are a darker yellow almost a brownish yellow. The T.h.rustamovi are olive greenish yellow.

Danny

Thanks!

Do you have all three species?And one more question(sorry!).I know people are breeding T.h.horsfieldii but never heard anyone breeding two other species.Why is that?

**egyptiandan64** · 11-06-2009, 03:42 AM

Yes I have all 3

Thats how I could take pictures of all 3

The flash washes out the colour. You can see the difference in person. Not sure why the UK hasn't gotten the other 2 subspecies. Over here in the states we mostly have T.h.rustamovi and T.h.kazachstanica. It's T.h.horsfieldii thats hard to find here.

Danny

Lolly8 · 11-06-2009, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by egyptiandan64

Yes I have all 3

Thats how I could take pictures of all 3

The flash washes out the colour. You can see the difference in person. Not sure why the UK hasn't gotten the other 2 subspecies. Over here in the states we mostly have T.h.rustamovi and T.h.kazachstanica. It's T.h.horsfieldii thats hard to find here.
Danny

That's interesting.So next time when you're coming to the UK,take some of your T.h.rustamovi and T.h.kazachstanica boys and girls with you.Leave them to Kelly,she breeds them and then UK can get these two aswell!

sammkins · 05-07-2009, 11:21 PM

i have had different tinges of horfields, and always wondered why they were a bit different from each other, now i know!!!

piglet · 08-07-2009, 09:11 PM

Interesting subject Dan , if your theory is correct regarding type/colour then i have all 3 proposed sub species, but im not seperating them off to breeding type to type as they have been producing offspring for several years now. Anyway interesting Dan Darren

Lou · 08-07-2009, 09:22 PM

I am going to ask a really really silly question. I have my hatchings from Darren and if Darren does have the 3 sub species , I have 2 horsfields from him which were laid by different females (same parent) what happens in these cases? what sub species would I end up with is the question really.. they actually look very different... colouring and shape

11-06-2009, 12:41 AM	#1
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Horsfields' Subspecies I finally took pictures. The first will be T.h.horsfieldii. They are domed and almost as wide as long. T.h.horsfieldii The next will be T.h.rustamovi. They are domed, but narrow and long. T.h.rustamovi Danny __________________

11-06-2009, 12:46 AM	#2
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	The last is T.h.kazachstanica. They are flat and almost as wide as long. T.h.kazachstanica Danny __________________

11-06-2009, 01:07 AM	#3
Lolly8 Senior Member Adult Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Stoke on Trent Posts: 5,276	Thanks for showing these pictures!I see the difference on the shell shape but the color of the shell looks pretty much the same?Is the color different only when they are babies? You showed your T.h.rustamovi and T.h.horsfieldii babies in another thread and their color is very different. __________________

11-06-2009, 01:49 AM	#4
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	If they were clean The T.h.kazachstanica are yellow. The T.h.horsfieldii are a darker yellow almost a brownish yellow. The T.h.rustamovi are olive greenish yellow. Danny __________________

11-06-2009, 03:42 AM	#6
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Yes I have all 3 Thats how I could take pictures of all 3 The flash washes out the colour. You can see the difference in person. Not sure why the UK hasn't gotten the other 2 subspecies. Over here in the states we mostly have T.h.rustamovi and T.h.kazachstanica. It's T.h.horsfieldii thats hard to find here. Danny __________________

05-07-2009, 11:21 PM	#8
sammkins Member Hatched Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sunny Surrey Posts: 321	i have had different tinges of horfields, and always wondered why they were a bit different from each other, now i know!!! __________________ My list: Owner of 3 boys + Hubby 1 Abyssinian Cat 1 Siamese Kitten 6 Horsfield Torts 6 Baby Sulcatas 1 rabbit 2 Aylesbury Ducks Hubbys list: 20 bearded Dragons 1 Blue tongue Skink 7 Chameleons House Gheckos and the list goes on!

08-07-2009, 09:11 PM	#9
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Interesting subject Dan , if your theory is correct regarding type/colour then i have all 3 proposed sub species, but im not seperating them off to breeding type to type as they have been producing offspring for several years now. Anyway interesting Dan Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

08-07-2009, 09:22 PM	#10
Lou Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wigan - Greater Manchester Posts: 1,172	I am going to ask a really really silly question. I have my hatchings from Darren and if Darren does have the 3 sub species , I have 2 horsfields from him which were laid by different females (same parent) what happens in these cases? what sub species would I end up with is the question really.. they actually look very different... colouring and shape __________________ Louise... Horsfield: 1.0.2 Walter / Izzy / Tilly Redfoot : 1.3.0 Ruby / Scarlet / Merlot / Ginger Goldfish : 0:0:1 Splodge Bearded Dragon : 0:1:0 Zuki Springer Spaniel : 1:0:0 Bailey

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