buying a tortoise abroad

Julia · 14-10-2007, 08:34 PM

Hi,
I was wondering if I can buy a tortoise from a breeder abroad (thinking of someone in Germany), with papers etc.. Would I be allowed to bring it in just through customs, or would it have to go into quarantaine, in which case I would not want to do this anyway. Does anyone have experience with this ?
Thanks
Julia

Tamie Milne · 14-10-2007, 08:43 PM

Why buy an import when there are breeders in the UK ?

Tamie

helen1 · 14-10-2007, 08:52 PM

i am not sure how, but I was contacted by somone from an Embassy earlier this year to foster their two youngsters who had been abroad with them on two moves but if the next move panned out as expected couldnt take them... i will check out my emails and see where and what the requirements were and get back to you if I still have it.

Is the person abroad a personal friend? Just being nosy! I had a friend abroad who bred torts and I was tempted as I had seen how lovely they were, but being lazy at the time didnt take it further.

wildlifewarrior · 14-10-2007, 08:55 PM

personally if the tortoise can be brought in the uk then do't get it from another country, even if it is cheap as it is going through unneed stress. Also it is also important to highlight that you should only buy CB animals where ever u get them from.

From the last look at it Herptiles are the only type of animals that don't need to be quarantained, although you do need to inform customs on what your bringing into the country and a few documents are needed and the correct pakcaging. I know poeple that but lizards,snakes and such from shows in america and Hamm in germany, but germally the reason most go to these shows are becuase they can get alot of different animals and breeds and a extememly cheap price, most of these animals are for sale in the U.K. anyway so it is better to do this.

am sure more people wud know about this on here that have a higher amount of knowledge on the tortousise front than me but i don't see the point in bringing one tort back, when you have have the breeders over here.

Julia · 14-10-2007, 09:41 PM

I was just wondering about this, as I will be going on a holiday to Germany and found a breeder living near where I will be going. Just thought in case I get tempted...
Julia

phoenix23db · 14-10-2007, 11:24 PM

i think you would have problems with customs but to be safe you could always ask DEFRA for a better idea on it.

nina · 15-10-2007, 08:31 AM

I think DEFRA has really strict rules about this, so you should contact them first (but as everyone has said there are lovely tortoises available from breeders in the UK, so why subject a tortoise to the stress of long distance travel).

Templer-nt · 15-10-2007, 09:57 AM

I feel if the Tort is in good health and captive breed and can be transported with no stress to its self, then go ahead, There are very good breeders in the uk and will give you all the advice you could need by they normaly only sell young torts (hatchlinggs) as I have been looking for an adult or sub hermanni for a year now and no one has any avalible so in my case i would gat one from abroard if there is no other option in the uk but you must cantact defra first.. just my opinion....

EJ · 15-10-2007, 04:08 PM

Does anyone else see a problem with the 'us and them' mentality of some people???????

So now... unless it is bred in the UK it is an import??????

I would wonder about the advice given from people with such a limited train of thought.

Needless to say, I don't think there is any problem with purchasing CB animals and bringing them into the UK. The problem is IDing them as CB. I believe that photo ID is not being accepted as proof and this is or was the main method of ID in Germany up until recently.

Tamie Milne · 15-10-2007, 04:14 PM

[quote="EJ"So now... unless it is bred in the UK it is an import????? [/quote]

Well of course it is, simple as really! If something/anything comes into the UK from another country it is IMPORTED and therefore an import. Hardly rocket science.

Tamie

14-10-2007, 08:34 PM	#1
Julia Member Egg Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South West London Posts: 73	buying a tortoise abroad Hi, I was wondering if I can buy a tortoise from a breeder abroad (thinking of someone in Germany), with papers etc.. Would I be allowed to bring it in just through customs, or would it have to go into quarantaine, in which case I would not want to do this anyway. Does anyone have experience with this ? Thanks Julia

14-10-2007, 08:43 PM	#2
Tamie Milne Member Hatched Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Buckinghamshire Posts: 392	Why buy an import when there are breeders in the UK ? Tamie __________________ www.tortoisetrust.org

14-10-2007, 08:52 PM	#3
helen1 Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NORTH WEST Posts: 1,977	i am not sure how, but I was contacted by somone from an Embassy earlier this year to foster their two youngsters who had been abroad with them on two moves but if the next move panned out as expected couldnt take them... i will check out my emails and see where and what the requirements were and get back to you if I still have it. Is the person abroad a personal friend? Just being nosy! I had a friend abroad who bred torts and I was tempted as I had seen how lovely they were, but being lazy at the time didnt take it further. __________________ I CARE FOR TORTS

14-10-2007, 11:24 PM	#6
phoenix23db Member Hatched Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: County Durham Posts: 426	i think you would have problems with customs but to be safe you could always ask DEFRA for a better idea on it. __________________ Danny... 1.3.0 Hermann's (Boetgerri) 1.0.0 Horsefield 0.2.0 Leopard's

15-10-2007, 08:31 AM	#7
nina Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,337	I think DEFRA has really strict rules about this, so you should contact them first (but as everyone has said there are lovely tortoises available from breeders in the UK, so why subject a tortoise to the stress of long distance travel). __________________ http://www.thetortoisetable.org.uk l

14-10-2007, 08:55 PM	#4
wildlifewarrior Banned Adult Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: stokie for life Posts: 4,272	personally if the tortoise can be brought in the uk then do't get it from another country, even if it is cheap as it is going through unneed stress. Also it is also important to highlight that you should only buy CB animals where ever u get them from. From the last look at it Herptiles are the only type of animals that don't need to be quarantained, although you do need to inform customs on what your bringing into the country and a few documents are needed and the correct pakcaging. I know poeple that but lizards,snakes and such from shows in america and Hamm in germany, but germally the reason most go to these shows are becuase they can get alot of different animals and breeds and a extememly cheap price, most of these animals are for sale in the U.K. anyway so it is better to do this. am sure more people wud know about this on here that have a higher amount of knowledge on the tortousise front than me but i don't see the point in bringing one tort back, when you have have the breeders over here.

14-10-2007, 09:41 PM	#5
Julia Member Egg Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South West London Posts: 73	I was just wondering about this, as I will be going on a holiday to Germany and found a breeder living near where I will be going. Just thought in case I get tempted... Julia

15-10-2007, 09:57 AM	#8
Templer-nt Member Egg Join Date: May 2007 Location: devon Posts: 82	I feel if the Tort is in good health and captive breed and can be transported with no stress to its self, then go ahead, There are very good breeders in the uk and will give you all the advice you could need by they normaly only sell young torts (hatchlinggs) as I have been looking for an adult or sub hermanni for a year now and no one has any avalible so in my case i would gat one from abroard if there is no other option in the uk but you must cantact defra first.. just my opinion.... __________________ The tortoise said that trouble is its own; that's why it carries trouble on its back One should try and shoulder one's own burden

15-10-2007, 04:08 PM	#9
EJ Senior Member Adult Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 8,277	Does anyone else see a problem with the 'us and them' mentality of some people??????? So now... unless it is bred in the UK it is an import?????? I would wonder about the advice given from people with such a limited train of thought. Needless to say, I don't think there is any problem with purchasing CB animals and bringing them into the UK. The problem is IDing them as CB. I believe that photo ID is not being accepted as proof and this is or was the main method of ID in Germany up until recently. __________________ Ed Tortoise Keerpers @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tortoise_Keepers and http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/284442591651347/ Trying to keep the fun in Chelonian care

15-10-2007, 04:14 PM	#10
Tamie Milne Member Hatched Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Buckinghamshire Posts: 392	[quote="EJ"So now... unless it is bred in the UK it is an import????? [/quote] Well of course it is, simple as really! If something/anything comes into the UK from another country it is IMPORTED and therefore an import. Hardly rocket science. Tamie __________________ www.tortoisetrust.org

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