Doesnt need heat!!!!! - Page 3

littlestar · 30-05-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by _simon_

That's how I read it too.

As regards housing I think it's the same with any animal. We all have our own opinions on what's acceptable and what's not. Keeping any animal in captivity means it's not going to have the same space it would in the wild so you could argue that whatever is provided will never be enough.

yep stars come from india & sri lanka dont thnik i have enough money to buy the countries but i do have enough to get what i believe is the best home/enclosure for them.

Neddy · 30-05-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EJ

That's the advantage of a viv... the ballast of the UV source probably provides sufficient heat for that enclosure.

As slow as leopards can grow that enclosure could last well over 5 years for a hatchling to the size where larger accomodations would be necessary.

Ed, what are you talking about - you posted saying that the viv would be fine for WELL OVER 5 years. I simply pointed out that it wouldn't as my leo is 9.5" at the age of 4.

I didn't say it needed saving, you said 'I am sure it will be saved'.

Who said the viv wasn't appropriate??

_simon_ · 30-05-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by littlestar

yep stars come from india & sri lanka dont thnik i have enough money to buy the countries but i do have enough to get what i believe is the best home/enclosure for them.

That's the point though. Even your idea may be considered too small to someone else. It's all down to us as individuals. It's surprising what can be seen as acceptable though. One great example that comes to mind is fish. Think how much space they have in the wild yet we keep them in little tanks and that's perfectly acceptable.

littlestar · 30-05-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EJ

Cared for a little better... that viv should last a few more years for that tortoise.

Regardless... I'm sure it'll be 'saved'... especially at that price.

actually the seller does not say what that viv is, only that it comes with a large viv so that pic could be a large or small viv. hopefully its the small then he will have a big viv real soon.

EJ · 30-05-2011, 10:11 PM

Again... putting it back into context... from hatchling on...

The rest is just a spitting match which I'm not really in the mood for.

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Originally Posted by Neddy

Ed, what are you talking about - you posted saying that the viv would be fine for WELL OVER 5 years. I simply pointed out that it wouldn't as my leo is 9.5" at the age of 4.

I didn't say it needed saving, you said 'I am sure it will be saved'.

Who said the viv wasn't appropriate??

Naturalee · 30-05-2011, 10:13 PM

Its definitely all down to personal opinion. For me, that viv is too small but I like to provide as natural a set-up as possible for all my animals and try to give them things "to do". But then again, thats also because I find that way is more aesthetically appealing. My own view is to provide as big an enclosure as you can afford/have space for. And if you can't provide something adequate, don't get the animal in the first place!

EJ · 30-05-2011, 10:13 PM

So your Leo is the benchmark for all captive Leopards?

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Originally Posted by Neddy

I simply pointed out that it wouldn't as my leo is 9.5" at the age of 4.

littlestar · 30-05-2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EJ

So your Leo is the benchmark for all captive Leopards?

why are yours? again its down to opinion.

Neddy · 30-05-2011, 10:16 PM

If you want it to be Ed

Just like your advice is super smashing great

NATURALIS · 30-05-2011, 10:18 PM

that viv is far to small to create micro climates and in my opinion far to small for the well being of any tortoise, forget heat gratients what about leg room , how can it exercise in such a small space.

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Naturalee Member Egg Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 94	Its definitely all down to personal opinion. For me, that viv is too small but I like to provide as natural a set-up as possible for all my animals and try to give them things "to do". But then again, thats also because I find that way is more aesthetically appealing. My own view is to provide as big an enclosure as you can afford/have space for. And if you can't provide something adequate, don't get the animal in the first place! __________________ Lee 0.0.3 Red-footed Tortoises (Chelonoidis carbonaria) 0.0.2 Common Musk Turtles (Sternotherus odoratus) 1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Pogona vitticeps) 2.1.2 Crested Geckos (Rhachodactylus ciliatus) 1.1.0 Royal Pythons (Python regius) 0.0.1 Dumeril's Ground Boas (Acrantophis dumerili) 1.0.0 Egyptian Long-eared Hedgehog (Hemiechinus auritus aegyptius) 1.2.0 Pugs

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Neddy Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,456	If you want it to be Ed Just like your advice is super smashing great

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NATURALIS Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: cheshire Posts: 3,472	that viv is far to small to create micro climates and in my opinion far to small for the well being of any tortoise, forget heat gratients what about leg room , how can it exercise in such a small space.

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