ID please! - Page 2

piglet · 18-01-2007, 04:42 PM

Darren I'm not saying this tortoise is TGG but from experience and lots of these males of this colour, marking and shape being handed in TGG is what they seem to classed as , but your right the typical radiated pattern, long body, and flared marginal scutes say whitei, Darren you have seen Mrs White this male to me would be an ideal match for her he resembles her very much but alas she is whitei and this little man is TGG seperated by size rather than appearnce.
So what locality was he gathered (collected)from that’s the question but if he were Algerian descent again something of which we may never know as no one can truely know where he was collected from I would certainly say he was a small whitei type which as I'm sure there are different animals within the whitei group within the country of Algeria, for instance
Tunisians and Moroccans have a huge species variability within there range so Darren I'm sure this is the case with whitei but until someone comes along with real field work evidence and possible dna work then these smaller yellow tortoises are classed as tgg.

Darren

Dazza · 18-01-2007, 04:53 PM

Thanks Darren ..

How do you fancy a camping trip to Algeria ??

Darren

piglet · 18-01-2007, 05:38 PM

may be mate

D

Tamie Milne · 18-01-2007, 07:50 PM

Just to throw a spanner in the works:

Andy H has advised me that Jemima (first set of pics) is an elderly IBERA from pics I have forwarded to him, Shirley Neely has also said this separately to Julie Sankey (who is collecting Jemima from me on Saturday). Julie has a male ibera Rommel - who may now have a fun filled summer!

As for Joe - well you guys have confused me and I now have a headache!

But I am really grateful for all your comments and advise! Dare not put pics of Seaweed up - apparently Moroccan spur too - but who knows?! However, she is a grand old age of 137 yrs, so not even in the running to be a 'friend' to Joe !! She deserves a spoilt peaceful life away from an eager younger man with a twinkle in his eye.

Tamie

Dazza · 18-01-2007, 07:58 PM

Welcome to the world of tortoise identification.

Rgds
Darren

Tamie Milne · 18-01-2007, 08:11 PM

lol - thanks for the introduction

piglet · 18-01-2007, 08:38 PM

Tamie thats great news Andys id is best one to take ,

Sorry for the miss ID its not always as easy as it seems so much variation, I have a female exactly the same as yours don't no why I go tit wrong

here she is

here is a male tgg id'ed by Andy Highfield

piglet · 18-01-2007, 08:52 PM

Here is my female whitei that looks very much like the male tgg

So confusing

Darren

Tamie Milne · 19-01-2007, 06:19 AM

Blimey - it is very confusing. Thanks for the pics - love seeing other torts. Cannot believe how much Joe looks like the whitei, male TGG and female whitei in the various pics above! Bless him - he is unaware of the identity issues I am having with him!

Tamie

18-01-2007, 04:42 PM	#11
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Darren I'm not saying this tortoise is TGG but from experience and lots of these males of this colour, marking and shape being handed in TGG is what they seem to classed as , but your right the typical radiated pattern, long body, and flared marginal scutes say whitei, Darren you have seen Mrs White this male to me would be an ideal match for her he resembles her very much but alas she is whitei and this little man is TGG seperated by size rather than appearnce. So what locality was he gathered (collected)from that’s the question but if he were Algerian descent again something of which we may never know as no one can truely know where he was collected from I would certainly say he was a small whitei type which as I'm sure there are different animals within the whitei group within the country of Algeria, for instance Tunisians and Moroccans have a huge species variability within there range so Darren I'm sure this is the case with whitei but until someone comes along with real field work evidence and possible dna work then these smaller yellow tortoises are classed as tgg. Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

18-01-2007, 04:53 PM	#12
Dazza Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,486	Thanks Darren .. How do you fancy a camping trip to Algeria ?? Darren __________________ www.inkaproducts.co.uk www.megaray.co.uk

18-01-2007, 05:38 PM	#13
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	may be mate D __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

18-01-2007, 07:58 PM	#15
Dazza Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,486	Welcome to the world of tortoise identification. Rgds Darren __________________ www.inkaproducts.co.uk www.megaray.co.uk

18-01-2007, 08:38 PM	#17
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Tamie thats great news Andys id is best one to take , Sorry for the miss ID its not always as easy as it seems so much variation, I have a female exactly the same as yours don't no why I go tit wrong here she is here is a male tgg id'ed by Andy Highfield __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

18-01-2007, 07:50 PM	#14
Tamie Milne Member Hatched Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Buckinghamshire Posts: 392	Just to throw a spanner in the works: Andy H has advised me that Jemima (first set of pics) is an elderly IBERA from pics I have forwarded to him, Shirley Neely has also said this separately to Julie Sankey (who is collecting Jemima from me on Saturday). Julie has a male ibera Rommel - who may now have a fun filled summer! As for Joe - well you guys have confused me and I now have a headache! But I am really grateful for all your comments and advise! Dare not put pics of Seaweed up - apparently Moroccan spur too - but who knows?! However, she is a grand old age of 137 yrs, so not even in the running to be a 'friend' to Joe !! She deserves a spoilt peaceful life away from an eager younger man with a twinkle in his eye. Tamie

18-01-2007, 08:11 PM	#16
Tamie Milne Member Hatched Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Buckinghamshire Posts: 392	lol - thanks for the introduction

18-01-2007, 08:52 PM	#18
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Here is my female whitei that looks very much like the male tgg So confusing Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

19-01-2007, 06:19 AM	#19
Tamie Milne Member Hatched Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Buckinghamshire Posts: 392	Blimey - it is very confusing. Thanks for the pics - love seeing other torts. Cannot believe how much Joe looks like the whitei, male TGG and female whitei in the various pics above! Bless him - he is unaware of the identity issues I am having with him! Tamie

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