Albino red/whitefoot hatchlings

mich · 04-01-2007, 07:42 PM

Now i found these pics on another site! But well worth a posting here amoungst so many Redfoot keepers.

Mich

shootinglou79 · 04-01-2007, 07:46 PM

hi mich, thnx for the photos, iv also seen this on another site too a good while back now, as beautiful as they are i think the breeder of these is cruel, as this can cause so many un call for complications

Henry-flash · 04-01-2007, 07:52 PM

Yes I have seen a tortoise like this before. Beautiful though they are I have to agree with Linz.

04-01-2007, 10:51 PM

Me too - I find the del;berate breeding of genetic mutants abhorrant

mich · 05-01-2007, 09:28 AM

HI,

Have I missed something? I posted these pic's because they are worth seeing!!!

Albino's are part of nature and can been seen in nearly every breed of animal on the planet!

Breeding of albino animals is very common place in all types of pet wether you like it or not.

Mich

**sarah** · 05-01-2007, 10:27 AM

Very unusual thanks the for the pictures. Many people are unaware that there are albino tortoises. Not sure if there are any in the UK.

Kate · 05-01-2007, 12:20 PM

I purposely breed many genetic mutants every year and there's no difference to breeding completely standard individuals.

There are some creatures god put on this earth that I perhaps would not encourage breeding from due to complications (such as snakes without scales that are naturally occuring for fear of skin damage, or albino iguanas that can go blind due to the daily UV they need) but for the vast majority all that is different is a simple colour gene - just as within the human race.

I had no idea that albino tortoises had been produced so thank you for posting this! Are there any known complications with this change? Any scietific papers you could point me towards?

05-01-2007, 01:59 PM

As many tortoises have high uvb requirements I would have thought the problems were obvious. There are also ethical concerns for deliberately breeding mutants. Albino hedgehogs, snakes, cats etc all have their fari share of health problems from day one and most veterinary sosgeons strongly advise that such animals are either neutered or kept well away from others of greeding age.

Kate · 05-01-2007, 05:16 PM

Unfortunately though the statement was too general against all these 'mutants', and though in this case it may be detrimental to be an albino red foot it can not be said for all species.

05-01-2007, 05:35 PM

Well in actual fact I would have said the reverse. Of all the torts the tropical species (not breeds) actually need less uvb than others. Albino sulcata's amd leopards for instance would be far more compromised. I cannot see any positive reasons for deliberately breeding albino anything though other than for the extremely dodgy 'pleasure' of the owners

Maybe people are just not aware of the uselesness of this practice, but you only need to be aware of what a human albino endures through his or her lifetime to see how pointless the practise is. It frankly makes me very sad for the animal

04-01-2007, 07:42 PM	#1
mich Member Incubating Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 109	Albino red/whitefoot hatchlings Now i found these pics on another site! But well worth a posting here amoungst so many Redfoot keepers. Mich

04-01-2007, 07:52 PM	#3
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	Yes I have seen a tortoise like this before. Beautiful though they are I have to agree with Linz. __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

05-01-2007, 10:27 AM	#6
sarah Administrator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newcastle-Under-Lyme Posts: 11,914	Very unusual thanks the for the pictures. Many people are unaware that there are albino tortoises. Not sure if there are any in the UK. __________________ Click: www.shelledwarriorsshop.co.uk STRUGGLING TO FIND WEEDS? LOOK AT OUR DRIED WEEDS 'READY TO FEED' Home of 'Grow Your Own Food' Bearded Dragon, Tortoise, Rabbit, Hamster seed mixes from 89p FREE POST Livefood, Thermostats, Housing, Heating, Mercury Vapour bulbs, UVB etc etc CHEAP PRICES TORTOISES ARE MY PASSION

04-01-2007, 07:46 PM	#2
shootinglou79 Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,743	hi mich, thnx for the photos, iv also seen this on another site too a good while back now, as beautiful as they are i think the breeder of these is cruel, as this can cause so many un call for complications

04-01-2007, 10:51 PM	#4
wizzasmum Guest Posts: n/a	Me too - I find the del;berate breeding of genetic mutants abhorrant

05-01-2007, 09:28 AM	#5
mich Member Incubating Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 109	HI, Have I missed something? I posted these pic's because they are worth seeing!!! Albino's are part of nature and can been seen in nearly every breed of animal on the planet! Breeding of albino animals is very common place in all types of pet wether you like it or not. Mich

05-01-2007, 12:20 PM	#7
Kate Member Incubating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wirral Posts: 189	I purposely breed many genetic mutants every year and there's no difference to breeding completely standard individuals. There are some creatures god put on this earth that I perhaps would not encourage breeding from due to complications (such as snakes without scales that are naturally occuring for fear of skin damage, or albino iguanas that can go blind due to the daily UV they need) but for the vast majority all that is different is a simple colour gene - just as within the human race. I had no idea that albino tortoises had been produced so thank you for posting this! Are there any known complications with this change? Any scietific papers you could point me towards?

05-01-2007, 01:59 PM	#8
wizzasmum Guest Posts: n/a	As many tortoises have high uvb requirements I would have thought the problems were obvious. There are also ethical concerns for deliberately breeding mutants. Albino hedgehogs, snakes, cats etc all have their fari share of health problems from day one and most veterinary sosgeons strongly advise that such animals are either neutered or kept well away from others of greeding age.

05-01-2007, 05:16 PM	#9
Kate Member Incubating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wirral Posts: 189	Unfortunately though the statement was too general against all these 'mutants', and though in this case it may be detrimental to be an albino red foot it can not be said for all species.

05-01-2007, 05:35 PM	#10
wizzasmum Guest Posts: n/a	Well in actual fact I would have said the reverse. Of all the torts the tropical species (not breeds) actually need less uvb than others. Albino sulcata's amd leopards for instance would be far more compromised. I cannot see any positive reasons for deliberately breeding albino anything though other than for the extremely dodgy 'pleasure' of the owners Maybe people are just not aware of the uselesness of this practice, but you only need to be aware of what a human albino endures through his or her lifetime to see how pointless the practise is. It frankly makes me very sad for the animal

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