hermanni hermanni? corsica? gender? - Page 3

**egyptiandan64** · 18-01-2014, 06:50 PM

It's possible but can't be sure. If they are Corisican, they should get pretty big for a Testudo hermanni hermanni.

Danny

tortoiseuk · 18-01-2014, 06:52 PM

tks Dan, lets wait and see so

Suze65 · 18-01-2014, 07:35 PM

They are stunning, I love their vibrant colour, I would love some of these.

Ozric Jonathan · 19-01-2014, 01:50 PM

Sorry to be boring but it's really difficult to sex this tortoise accurately at that size. A couple of mine were wrongly identified as male/female around that size. So I'd give them another season of growth for more accuracy.

tortoiseuk · 19-01-2014, 01:59 PM

Hi Ozric, I know its just educated guesses at this time

how's your tortoises?

Ozric Jonathan · 19-01-2014, 02:25 PM

We're doing fine here!

HermanniChris23 · 21-01-2014, 08:23 PM

I'm not going to venture a guess on sex because they can definitely go either way, especially with Hermann's ssp.

As for locality data, there is no certified way to tell their lineage unless you know exactly where the adults were collected. However, some things you can look for in them if they are Corse, is the number of claws on each front foot. Although this can and does vary, Corse specimens will usually have 4 light colored claws on each front foot. Also, the second vertebral scute on the carapace will dip into the first vertebral like a "U" shape. This is very common in Corse tortoises. One last thing to look for is the "gular mustache". This is when one or two black stripes or spots are found only on the inner side of the gular scutes under the neck. You can read more about this trait on my site here: http://www.hermannihaven.com/#!sicilian-tortoises/chld

Although I am discussing my Sicilian tortoises on that page, the gular mustache is something that is typically found on Corse and Sardinian Thh as well. Hope this helps. Beautiful tortoises you have.

tortoiseuk · 21-01-2014, 08:59 PM

hmm.. tks Chris
was trying to see those details you mentioned and its really difficult to assess as they are small yet, but..

tortoise 1 (the bigger one) seems to have 5 claws on front feet and complete gular moustache.
tortoise 2 has 5 claws on front feet and incomplete gular moustache
tortoise 3 has 4 claws on front feet and complete gular moustache

both claws on front and back legs are light colour for now.

HermanniChris23 · 21-01-2014, 09:54 PM

It does sound like they may in fact be Corse, or they could be a mix of CorseXVar. You'll know better as they grow.

tortoiseuk · 21-01-2014, 09:56 PM

tks Chris, I'll give them time

18-01-2014, 06:50 PM	#21
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	It's possible but can't be sure. If they are Corisican, they should get pretty big for a Testudo hermanni hermanni. Danny __________________

18-01-2014, 06:52 PM	#22
tortoiseuk Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 392	tks Dan, lets wait and see so __________________ 1.1.1 testudo horsfieldii 1.1.1 testudo hermanni hermanni (Corse) 0.3.0 testudo hermanni hermanni (Italy) 0.0.1 testudo kleinmanni 1.1.0 testudo hermanni boetgeri

18-01-2014, 07:35 PM	#23
Suze65 Senior Member Adult Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,769	They are stunning, I love their vibrant colour, I would love some of these. __________________ Suze. 3 THB, Sammy, Jemima, & Phoebe 7 Marginated, Tabitha, Ptolome, Tatiana, Noah,Lottey, Lulu & Poppy 1 TGG (Emma) RIP Feb 2012

19-01-2014, 01:50 PM	#24
Ozric Jonathan Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 4,226	Sorry to be boring but it's really difficult to sex this tortoise accurately at that size. A couple of mine were wrongly identified as male/female around that size. So I'd give them another season of growth for more accuracy. __________________ Testudo Hermanni Hermanni (Corse) tortoises

19-01-2014, 01:59 PM	#25
tortoiseuk Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 392	Hi Ozric, I know its just educated guesses at this time how's your tortoises? __________________ 1.1.1 testudo horsfieldii 1.1.1 testudo hermanni hermanni (Corse) 0.3.0 testudo hermanni hermanni (Italy) 0.0.1 testudo kleinmanni 1.1.0 testudo hermanni boetgeri

19-01-2014, 02:25 PM	#26
Ozric Jonathan Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 4,226	We're doing fine here! __________________ Testudo Hermanni Hermanni (Corse) tortoises

21-01-2014, 08:23 PM	#27
HermanniChris23 Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 584	I'm not going to venture a guess on sex because they can definitely go either way, especially with Hermann's ssp. As for locality data, there is no certified way to tell their lineage unless you know exactly where the adults were collected. However, some things you can look for in them if they are Corse, is the number of claws on each front foot. Although this can and does vary, Corse specimens will usually have 4 light colored claws on each front foot. Also, the second vertebral scute on the carapace will dip into the first vertebral like a "U" shape. This is very common in Corse tortoises. One last thing to look for is the "gular mustache". This is when one or two black stripes or spots are found only on the inner side of the gular scutes under the neck. You can read more about this trait on my site here: http://www.hermannihaven.com/#!sicilian-tortoises/chld Although I am discussing my Sicilian tortoises on that page, the gular mustache is something that is typically found on Corse and Sardinian Thh as well. Hope this helps. Beautiful tortoises you have. __________________ VISIT MY SITES: WWW.HERMANNIHAVEN.COM WWW.GARDENSTATETORTOISE.COM

21-01-2014, 08:59 PM	#28
tortoiseuk Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 392	hmm.. tks Chris was trying to see those details you mentioned and its really difficult to assess as they are small yet, but.. tortoise 1 (the bigger one) seems to have 5 claws on front feet and complete gular moustache. tortoise 2 has 5 claws on front feet and incomplete gular moustache tortoise 3 has 4 claws on front feet and complete gular moustache both claws on front and back legs are light colour for now. __________________ 1.1.1 testudo horsfieldii 1.1.1 testudo hermanni hermanni (Corse) 0.3.0 testudo hermanni hermanni (Italy) 0.0.1 testudo kleinmanni 1.1.0 testudo hermanni boetgeri

21-01-2014, 09:54 PM	#29
HermanniChris23 Member Hatchling Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 584	It does sound like they may in fact be Corse, or they could be a mix of CorseXVar. You'll know better as they grow. __________________ VISIT MY SITES: WWW.HERMANNIHAVEN.COM WWW.GARDENSTATETORTOISE.COM

21-01-2014, 09:56 PM	#30
tortoiseuk Member Hatched Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 392	tks Chris, I'll give them time __________________ 1.1.1 testudo horsfieldii 1.1.1 testudo hermanni hermanni (Corse) 0.3.0 testudo hermanni hermanni (Italy) 0.0.1 testudo kleinmanni 1.1.0 testudo hermanni boetgeri

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