Id please

[Suze65]

Originally Posted by egyptiandan64

Not a pointed enough face to be T.g.terrestris. Nope Alan still saying it's T.g.marokkensis which isn't the same thing as T.g.terrestris.

Well Suze the valid subspecies in North Africa are, T.g.soussensis (southern Morocco), T.g.marokkensis (central to northwestern Morocco), T.g.graeca (northeastern Morocco, Algeria, northwestern Tunisia), T.g.nabeulensis (Tunisia, western Libya), T.g.cyrenaica (Libya)
T.g.linnaus isn't a valid subspecies Linnaeus is who named Spur-thighs Testudo graeca in 1758

Danny

Wow thank you soooo much xxxxxx

[EJ]

Just for clarity... who is the validating authority which decides these?

...and how long have these been valid for?

I'll accept Testudo greaca... works for me.

...and what happened to Furculachelys nabeulensis... wait a minute... that's what is pictured...

Originally Posted by egyptiandan64

Not a pointed enough face to be T.g.terrestris. Nope Alan still saying it's T.g.marokkensis which isn't the same thing as T.g.terrestris.

Well Suze the valid subspecies in North Africa are, T.g.soussensis (southern Morocco), T.g.marokkensis (central to northwestern Morocco), T.g.graeca (northeastern Morocco, Algeria, northwestern Tunisia), T.g.nabeulensis (Tunisia, western Libya), T.g.cyrenaica (Libya)
T.g.linnaus isn't a valid subspecies

Danny

[anol03]

You could just call it north african testudo graeca sp
Seems to be extremly hard even for the experts to know which sub species you have.
Even within for examples tunisians you have big local varaties.
So if you dont know where it comes from I think it is impossible to be sure which sub species you have.
Br
Anders

[EJ]

It's nice to see another voice of reason...

Originally Posted by anol03

You could just call it north african testudo graeca sp
Seems to be extremly hard even for the experts to know which sub species you have.
Even within for examples tunisians you have big local varaties.
So if you dont know where it comes from I think it is impossible to be sure which sub species you have.
Br
Anders

[anol03]

Ofcourse that is not what I wrote.
I think most people can agree that if you have a t graeca it is difficult to know which sub species you have if you dont know the origin of the tortoise.
I dont think that many people if any, know all the local variations of all the t.graeca.sp.
Even people who named a few species have difficulties to be 100% sure which sub species you have without knowing the origin of the animal.

I have to add that I am not an expert in any way.
But I think there are bigger differances between h.h and h.b, dont think herc has been accepted as a separate sub species yet. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Br
Anders

[Catwoman63]

Originally Posted by Hermpop

Beautiful?....
That would be my best guess, based on the evidence! Lol

Me too ha ha ha x

[NATURALIS]

male terrestris

[Gordon]

So do i look for a female Tg marokkensis or a Tg terrestris or one of each and let him choose

[EJ]

You look for one that has similar characteristics regardless of what it is called.

Originally Posted by turnip

So do i look for a female Tg marokkensis or a Tg terrestris or one of each and let him choose

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by EJ

You look for one that has similar characteristics regardless of what it is called.

Well i have a group of terrestris so i guess they will do then
He might have to wait a while though as they are still small