A10 Help?

TillyTortoise · 20-08-2011, 10:38 AM

Hello,
A few days ago I purchased my first ever tort, Tilly is a Hermans (I have no idea if Tilly is male or female but if 'she' ends up to be 'he' her name can easily be changed to Timmy or Tommy) and was born in 2009 and is still small about 70mm long.

Anyway I dont quite understand the whole A10 thing and was hoping someone could fill me in. All I was giving was a piece of paper with a Cert No on.

Any information would be of great help.

**Bindi** · 20-08-2011, 11:33 AM

Hi Tilly,
you used to be given the whole article 10 certificate when you purchased a tort but now the seller only gives you the cert number and is supposed to send the certificate back to Defra.

Some sellers/ breeders will give you a photocopy of the cert, which is handy as you have a little more info but they are not legally obliged to do this - just give you the number

TillyTortoise · 20-08-2011, 11:50 AM

Oh thanks for that also whats the whole thing about having to have Tilly microchiped?

**Bindi** · 21-08-2011, 10:39 AM

In order for tortoises to be sold or their offspring to be sold the need to be microchipped once the are over 10cm and the Article 10 has to be transferred into your name.

I would stress that this is only necessary if you intend on selling the tortoise or wish to breed from her.

Some people choose to microchip their torts for security reasons also

suttysue · 21-08-2011, 11:18 AM

I have adopted a 7/8yr old male Herman from a pet sanctury who got him via the RSPCA. I know nothing of his previous life and am told that I cannot re-register him so therefore I can not use him for breeding.
i do think this is unfair poor thing is now reduced to batchelerdom. Why cant defra have a system to cater for these adopted torts bless em.
I love him to bits and hes now safe in a forever home
Sue

kkenny · 21-08-2011, 06:03 PM

I have only a cert number for my 2 yr old Hermann and am not worried about not having the whold copy of the cert, however i do not intend to sell or bred.

TBH123 · 21-08-2011, 06:25 PM

Suttysue - I have recently spoke to DEFRA and they have told me that a tort without papers can be bred from but the babies produced cannot be registered so therefore any offspring produced would have to be given away (free) or kept by you

NATURALIS · 21-08-2011, 06:37 PM

When you buy any tortoise covered by a10's the seller should show you the original a10 , before you part with your money .

SeeShell · 21-08-2011, 06:54 PM

My undestanding is the same as TBH123 - you can still breed but couldn't accept any consideration for the hatchlings; you'd have to give them away free.

20-08-2011, 10:38 AM	#1
TillyTortoise Senior Member Adult Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Vale of Glamorgan, South Wales Posts: 2,327	A10 Help? Hello, A few days ago I purchased my first ever tort, Tilly is a Hermans (I have no idea if Tilly is male or female but if 'she' ends up to be 'he' her name can easily be changed to Timmy or Tommy) and was born in 2009 and is still small about 70mm long. Anyway I dont quite understand the whole A10 thing and was hoping someone could fill me in. All I was giving was a piece of paper with a Cert No on. Any information would be of great help.

20-08-2011, 11:33 AM	#2
Bindi Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,157	Hi Tilly, you used to be given the whole article 10 certificate when you purchased a tort but now the seller only gives you the cert number and is supposed to send the certificate back to Defra. Some sellers/ breeders will give you a photocopy of the cert, which is handy as you have a little more info but they are not legally obliged to do this - just give you the number __________________

21-08-2011, 10:39 AM	#4
Bindi Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,157	In order for tortoises to be sold or their offspring to be sold the need to be microchipped once the are over 10cm and the Article 10 has to be transferred into your name. I would stress that this is only necessary if you intend on selling the tortoise or wish to breed from her. Some people choose to microchip their torts for security reasons also __________________

21-08-2011, 06:03 PM	#6
kkenny Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Warwick Posts: 1,303	I have only a cert number for my 2 yr old Hermann and am not worried about not having the whold copy of the cert, however i do not intend to sell or bred. __________________ Karin Spartacus, THB, March 2013 Henry, THB, July 2008

21-08-2011, 06:37 PM	#8
NATURALIS Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: cheshire Posts: 3,472	When you buy any tortoise covered by a10's the seller should show you the original a10 , before you part with your money . __________________ Home bred tortoise's available all year round, Hermanns , spur-thighed ( ibera ) pm for details

20-08-2011, 11:50 AM	#3
TillyTortoise Senior Member Adult Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Vale of Glamorgan, South Wales Posts: 2,327	Oh thanks for that also whats the whole thing about having to have Tilly microchiped?

21-08-2011, 11:18 AM	#5
suttysue Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: UK / Eng / Yorkshire Posts: 1,483	I have adopted a 7/8yr old male Herman from a pet sanctury who got him via the RSPCA. I know nothing of his previous life and am told that I cannot re-register him so therefore I can not use him for breeding. i do think this is unfair poor thing is now reduced to batchelerdom. Why cant defra have a system to cater for these adopted torts bless em. I love him to bits and hes now safe in a forever home Sue

21-08-2011, 06:25 PM	#7
TBH123 Member Hatched Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: devon Posts: 276	Suttysue - I have recently spoke to DEFRA and they have told me that a tort without papers can be bred from but the babies produced cannot be registered so therefore any offspring produced would have to be given away (free) or kept by you

21-08-2011, 06:54 PM	#9
SeeShell Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 3,120	My undestanding is the same as TBH123 - you can still breed but couldn't accept any consideration for the hatchlings; you'd have to give them away free. __________________ SS

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