Leopard Species - Page 2

09-01-2007, 10:21 PM

Sorry for my confusing pictures... was having a bad day at work... head everywhere.

Deb

newforestmum · 09-01-2007, 10:28 PM

wizzasmum I would class you as an expert as you keep Leopards and have had them for longer than I have

I have posted on TT site as well though

I want to get started on Lily's permanent home and need to know if she need a one or two bed room with a view

09-01-2007, 10:38 PM

LOL - I am by no means an expert on leopards. I have three and have watched then grow and change in shape, size and colouration. They were all arouns 120 - 140 gms when I got them, all from the same customs seizure around three years back. Now they are 460gms, 1800 gms and 2 kilos. I think I have got sussed how to keep them happy now, but still have a lot to learn about them which is why I said to ask Andy.LOL. I have had the others for much longer so have learned more over the years.
Are ther no books about them on carapace press?

newforestmum · 09-01-2007, 10:53 PM

ordered a book and dvd earlier today

great minds think alike

**egyptiandan64** · 09-01-2007, 11:09 PM

They are both babcocki Lisa

. They do vary quite a bit, from light to dark.

Dan

newforestmum · 09-01-2007, 11:19 PM

thanks for that Dan

Tom will be pleased as if Honey stays he will only have to build one enclosure instead of two

but what is the secret how can you tell just incase I get offered anymore Leopards in the future

Lisa

veebee · 09-01-2007, 11:37 PM

Looking at my leopard book it states that the South African pardalis pardalis is darker, and not as high domed and grows larger than the nortern Leopard Babcocki. The hatchling of babcocki have either one or no dots on their scutes, whereas the pardalis pardalis has two dots.

Books I have on Leopards, I won in the auction section from Dan, they are excellent: Well recommended

Leopard Tortoises by Richar and Jerry Fife

Chelonian Library Leopard and African Spurred Tortoise by Holger Vetter

Vivienne

newforestmum · 11-01-2007, 09:58 AM

good news both Andy Highfield and Dan say that my two girls are definately babcockii

I have heard from Julie at HTS who has spoken to owner about Honey

he is happy for her to meet Lily after quarantine period but is not ready to take her back this year he said "it will be at least another year from now if at all that he takes her back"

Tom is pleased as well as he only needs to build one enclosure

I have drawn 1st plan of new enclosure ensuring that I have made provision to extend enclosure as the Leopards grow. just have not told Tom that bit yet

as on my plan it just looks lik an access/gateway for me to go in and out of enclosure. so ssshhhh don't tell tom

**egyptiandan64** · 11-01-2007, 02:00 PM

That's great news Lisa

A few helpful clues are that the darker of pardalis extends to the head and legs too. CB animals keep the 2 spots far longer in captivity and for longer then babcocki keep their one spot on the vertebral scutes.

Dan

terrypin · 11-01-2007, 08:15 PM

hi Dan i have to agree these both appear to be babcocki i have several different looking leopards and they are all babcocki.
terry

09-01-2007, 11:09 PM	#15
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	They are both babcocki Lisa . They do vary quite a bit, from light to dark. Dan __________________

09-01-2007, 11:37 PM	#17
veebee Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,109	Looking at my leopard book it states that the South African pardalis pardalis is darker, and not as high domed and grows larger than the nortern Leopard Babcocki. The hatchling of babcocki have either one or no dots on their scutes, whereas the pardalis pardalis has two dots. Books I have on Leopards, I won in the auction section from Dan, they are excellent: Well recommended Leopard Tortoises by Richar and Jerry Fife Chelonian Library Leopard and African Spurred Tortoise by Holger Vetter Vivienne __________________ www.tortoise-protection-group.org.uk PLEASE SIGN: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/769012123

11-01-2007, 09:58 AM	#18
newforestmum Member Hatchling Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Forest, Hampshire Posts: 555	good news both Andy Highfield and Dan say that my two girls are definately babcockii I have heard from Julie at HTS who has spoken to owner about Honey he is happy for her to meet Lily after quarantine period but is not ready to take her back this year he said "it will be at least another year from now if at all that he takes her back" Tom is pleased as well as he only needs to build one enclosure I have drawn 1st plan of new enclosure ensuring that I have made provision to extend enclosure as the Leopards grow. just have not told Tom that bit yet as on my plan it just looks lik an access/gateway for me to go in and out of enclosure. so ssshhhh don't tell tom __________________ Lisa

11-01-2007, 02:00 PM	#19
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	That's great news Lisa A few helpful clues are that the darker of pardalis extends to the head and legs too. CB animals keep the 2 spots far longer in captivity and for longer then babcocki keep their one spot on the vertebral scutes. Dan __________________

11-01-2007, 08:15 PM	#20
terrypin Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: jersey c.i. Posts: 2,928	hi Dan i have to agree these both appear to be babcocki i have several different looking leopards and they are all babcocki. terry __________________ these are my own opinions do with them what you will. _________________

09-01-2007, 10:21 PM	#11
Glitter Guest Posts: n/a	Sorry for my confusing pictures... was having a bad day at work... head everywhere. Deb

09-01-2007, 10:28 PM	#12
newforestmum Member Hatchling Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Forest, Hampshire Posts: 555	wizzasmum I would class you as an expert as you keep Leopards and have had them for longer than I have I have posted on TT site as well though I want to get started on Lily's permanent home and need to know if she need a one or two bed room with a view

09-01-2007, 10:38 PM	#13
wizzasmum Guest Posts: n/a	LOL - I am by no means an expert on leopards. I have three and have watched then grow and change in shape, size and colouration. They were all arouns 120 - 140 gms when I got them, all from the same customs seizure around three years back. Now they are 460gms, 1800 gms and 2 kilos. I think I have got sussed how to keep them happy now, but still have a lot to learn about them which is why I said to ask Andy.LOL. I have had the others for much longer so have learned more over the years. Are ther no books about them on carapace press?

09-01-2007, 10:53 PM	#14
newforestmum Member Hatchling Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Forest, Hampshire Posts: 555	ordered a book and dvd earlier today great minds think alike

09-01-2007, 11:19 PM	#16
newforestmum Member Hatchling Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Forest, Hampshire Posts: 555	thanks for that Dan Tom will be pleased as if Honey stays he will only have to build one enclosure instead of two but what is the secret how can you tell just incase I get offered anymore Leopards in the future Lisa

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