The rest of my Goldens

**egyptiandan64** · 27-07-2006, 08:14 PM

The 2 little guys

My 2 males

My other 2 females

I've got them split into 2 groups, 1.2 Domed Goldens and 1.2 Sloped Front Goldens

Dan

Henry-flash · 27-07-2006, 08:26 PM

Right ok Dan when are you bringing me those little 2 I want them now!!! Great pictures you have a great group.

piglet · 27-07-2006, 08:32 PM

Dan are first pictures with the heavily marked golden are these juveniles and will they become golden as they get older. Also could you give a better explaination of domed and slop fronted differences are these classed as spp or sub spp or are they the same thing anything you can tell me about them most appreciated .
Darren

**egyptiandan64** · 27-07-2006, 09:51 PM

Darren, all most all the little ones I've seen have some kind of color like this. They should get some more light color on them, but I think they're going to be darker then what most of the adults look like. Not sure why though.
With the sloped and the domed I'll try to explain the best I can. Much easier in person though

Here is a domed female

And a sloped female

And a sloped male

The sloped and the domed come in with the first vertebral scute. In the domed it's curved outward from the front to the back in profile. The sides are more rounded too.
In the sloped the first vertebral goes in then up in profile. The scute is straight side also and flares towards the front of the scute.
The domed animals have a more oval over all shell shape, where the sloped are more elongated.
The heads on the domed are short and rounded, where as the sloped ones heads are longer and more pointed.

I hope I explained it all right

Dan

piglet · 27-07-2006, 10:16 PM

Thanks understood very well ,Dan the reason i ask is there is a zoo that has some customs confiscated animals i will forward them your information, just one more thing what do you call these spp tesudo g terrestris ?ETC
Darren

**egyptiandan64** · 27-07-2006, 10:50 PM

Darren, technically neither one has a valid subspecies. floweri and terrestris aren't valid. Lots of work needs to be done in the Middle East to sort these guys out. The way it's working out now with DNA testing. The North Africans are Testudo graeca and all the others, Middle east, Turkey, Europe, Iran and Russia are Testudo ibera. Each with there own subspecies, DNA doesn't work well for subspecies. They were though able to differenciate T.g. soussensis, so it might be a seperate species.

Dan

Wouldn't mind seeing pics of the ones the zoo has

piglet · 27-07-2006, 11:00 PM

Dan thanks again , i will try get pictures but the animals are still in quarantine at the moment but soon as i will ask for pictures

Darren

veebee · 28-07-2006, 03:02 AM

facinating!!!!!!

vivienne

27-07-2006, 08:14 PM	#1
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	The rest of my Goldens The 2 little guys My 2 males My other 2 females I've got them split into 2 groups, 1.2 Domed Goldens and 1.2 Sloped Front Goldens Dan __________________

27-07-2006, 08:26 PM	#2
Henry-flash Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9,304	Right ok Dan when are you bringing me those little 2 I want them now!!! Great pictures you have a great group. __________________ Peter Keeping: Testudo hermanni, Testudo graeca (graeca & ibera ), Testudo horsfieldi, Astrochelys radiata, Malacochersus tornieri and Kinixys belliana. The North West Tortoise Group

27-07-2006, 08:32 PM	#3
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Dan are first pictures with the heavily marked golden are these juveniles and will they become golden as they get older. Also could you give a better explaination of domed and slop fronted differences are these classed as spp or sub spp or are they the same thing anything you can tell me about them most appreciated . Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

27-07-2006, 09:51 PM	#4
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Darren, all most all the little ones I've seen have some kind of color like this. They should get some more light color on them, but I think they're going to be darker then what most of the adults look like. Not sure why though. With the sloped and the domed I'll try to explain the best I can. Much easier in person though Here is a domed female And a sloped female And a sloped male The sloped and the domed come in with the first vertebral scute. In the domed it's curved outward from the front to the back in profile. The sides are more rounded too. In the sloped the first vertebral goes in then up in profile. The scute is straight side also and flares towards the front of the scute. The domed animals have a more oval over all shell shape, where the sloped are more elongated. The heads on the domed are short and rounded, where as the sloped ones heads are longer and more pointed. I hope I explained it all right Dan __________________

27-07-2006, 10:16 PM	#5
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Thanks understood very well ,Dan the reason i ask is there is a zoo that has some customs confiscated animals i will forward them your information, just one more thing what do you call these spp tesudo g terrestris ?ETC Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

27-07-2006, 10:50 PM	#6
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Darren, technically neither one has a valid subspecies. floweri and terrestris aren't valid. Lots of work needs to be done in the Middle East to sort these guys out. The way it's working out now with DNA testing. The North Africans are Testudo graeca and all the others, Middle east, Turkey, Europe, Iran and Russia are Testudo ibera. Each with there own subspecies, DNA doesn't work well for subspecies. They were though able to differenciate T.g. soussensis, so it might be a seperate species. Dan Wouldn't mind seeing pics of the ones the zoo has __________________

27-07-2006, 11:00 PM	#7
piglet Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,976	Dan thanks again , i will try get pictures but the animals are still in quarantine at the moment but soon as i will ask for pictures Darren __________________ 17 years old 25 years ago

28-07-2006, 03:02 AM	#8
veebee Senior Member Sub Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,109	facinating!!!!!! vivienne __________________ www.tortoise-protection-group.org.uk PLEASE SIGN: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/769012123

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