Identification help please! - Page 2

Bertie1974 · 23-05-2008, 07:06 PM

I'm going THB, lovely torts

Sam x x

25-05-2008, 11:32 AM

Thanks!

We think they're lovely too!!

After saying I thought he was the larger of the two, it turns out he is just slightly smaller at around 12cm. We have a pair of calipers somewhere so will find them and get a more accurate measurement!

**egyptiandan64** · 26-05-2008, 10:22 PM

I'm going with T.h.hercegovinensis for both of them.

They both have no inguinal scutes and have the dipping pectoral scute seam, though harder to see on the male.

Danny

26-05-2008, 11:16 PM

Thanks Danny, I understand that you are the expert on this!!

For someone who has only just learned that there is a third sub species, a fact that is pretty poor considering I studied zoology and lectured in animal science,

could you please explain exactly what the inguinal scutes are for me? I had a look at the topic concerning the differences between the T. h. hercegovinensis and T. h. boettgeri but I am unsure of which bit exactly the inguinal scute is and my un-experienced eye thought our two looked more similar to T. h. b. round the rear legs in particular. If it would help me taking extra photos then please let me know as I think they have got over their camera shyness from the other day!

Thanks in advance for your help, I have ordered a copy of the book you recommended by Holger Vetter too and can't wait for that to arrive.

**egyptiandan64** · 27-05-2008, 09:28 AM

It's a very small scute found at the bottom end of the bridge (the part of the shell connecting the plastron to the carapace) between the humeral scutes and a marginal scute.

Your welcome

Danny

27-05-2008, 10:38 AM

Thanks again,

I've had a look at them both this morning and can see that they don't have the small triangular shaped scute I presume to be the inguinal one which shows on the identification photos of the other post. It's really interesting to see their wild range too, I suppose we should refer to them as Croatian tortoises rather than Greek!

23-05-2008, 07:06 PM	#11
Bertie1974 Member Hatchling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Willenhall. West Midlands Posts: 505	I'm going THB, lovely torts Sam x x __________________ 2 Cockatiels (Bertie and Billie) 1 Pigeon (Benji) 0.0.2 Ibera (Doug and Pebbles)

26-05-2008, 10:22 PM	#13
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	I'm going with T.h.hercegovinensis for both of them. They both have no inguinal scutes and have the dipping pectoral scute seam, though harder to see on the male. Danny __________________

27-05-2008, 09:28 AM	#15
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	It's a very small scute found at the bottom end of the bridge (the part of the shell connecting the plastron to the carapace) between the humeral scutes and a marginal scute. Your welcome Danny __________________

25-05-2008, 11:32 AM	#12
tam Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks! We think they're lovely too!! After saying I thought he was the larger of the two, it turns out he is just slightly smaller at around 12cm. We have a pair of calipers somewhere so will find them and get a more accurate measurement!

26-05-2008, 11:16 PM	#14
tam Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks Danny, I understand that you are the expert on this!! For someone who has only just learned that there is a third sub species, a fact that is pretty poor considering I studied zoology and lectured in animal science, could you please explain exactly what the inguinal scutes are for me? I had a look at the topic concerning the differences between the T. h. hercegovinensis and T. h. boettgeri but I am unsure of which bit exactly the inguinal scute is and my un-experienced eye thought our two looked more similar to T. h. b. round the rear legs in particular. If it would help me taking extra photos then please let me know as I think they have got over their camera shyness from the other day! Thanks in advance for your help, I have ordered a copy of the book you recommended by Holger Vetter too and can't wait for that to arrive.

27-05-2008, 10:38 AM	#16
tam Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks again, I've had a look at them both this morning and can see that they don't have the small triangular shaped scute I presume to be the inguinal one which shows on the identification photos of the other post. It's really interesting to see their wild range too, I suppose we should refer to them as Croatian tortoises rather than Greek!

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