health of torts in shop

Rory & Gem · 27-02-2009, 10:42 AM

Hello all

so I went down to a local pet shop near where i live with my little sister to look at all the torts and stuff, a lot of the little guys there are not being looked after at all. There are some hermans there it doesn’t say how old they are but they are listed as breeding hermans and there between 5-8" long and are pyramided. One of them has a beak that in my opinion must prevent the tort of eating ( its so long it goes past his chin) one of them has white dry patches on his shell.

also the baby horsfields and hermans and a few others species look bad too

there all kept in vivs with what they describe as grass pellet tortoise feed as bedding or at least it looked like I wad the bedding, some parts of the vivs you could clearly see the wood at the bottom and all the babies look completely over populated in there environment, there are some torts that have white markings on there shells and a few even had red patching on there shells too. One was quite extensive and he/she didn’t move once in the 25 mins I was there even when other torts were climbing over him/her

All had dirty water dishes that had clearly not been cleaned but just topped up. Most of which also had what may be poop or bedding in them. All are being fed on cauliflower broccoli and bagged lettuce and the multi coloured pellets, the shop doesn’t sell any form of cuttle fish or limestone flour or vitamin boosting stuff so I doubt they receive any of that either

i was going to complain but all the staff there look quite young and i felt as it would fall on cloth ears so to speak. they do have a sign hanging on one of the vivs that says " if you wish to talk about the way we house our animals please feel free to chat to us about it". pretty much everything i have read not to do on this site is being done.

is there anywhere I could complain or notify to the bad care these guys are receiving ?

Rory

n236kfl · 27-02-2009, 11:17 AM

i take it that you live in northamptonshire, if so try this to start with

http://www.southnorthants.gov.uk/contact_us/471.htm

also try the RSPCA

anna m · 27-02-2009, 11:22 AM

I'm not sure where or who you could complain to (RSPCA?) but this does not sound good care at all. Probably the worst I have heard off actually. Really not a good example for the public either. Others on here will know what to do I'm sure.

sky · 27-02-2009, 11:29 AM

Try the Tortoise Trust they may send some information leaflets out.

ingisim · 27-02-2009, 11:38 AM

How very upsetting for you and your sister.

I agree that the Tortoise Trust would be the best ones to contact about this. The RSPCA don't as a rule know much about reptiles and their needs.

Hilary · 27-02-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n236kfl

i take it that you live in northamptonshire, if so try this to start with

http://www.southnorthants.gov.uk/contact_us/471.htm

also try the RSPCA

Definitely the council contact address above. Possibly even if you go on the council website you will find the EPD direct contact number (Environmental Protection Dept). Specifically it will be the licensing unit who deal with the licensing of pet shops (along with animal breeders and animal boarders too).

They will/should send someone out to check the premises to make sure that the animals are correctly housed/looked after.
That's what we do up here in the frozen north. We have our own vet who works for the dept & he does the site visits.

Rory & Gem · 27-02-2009, 01:11 PM

great stuff all,

i cant access these sites from work so i will do it from home when i get back today

just seenign these little guys made me want to buy them all as no one or nothing deserves to live in thoes conditions.

hopefully the council will do something about it.

thanks

**Alan1** · 27-02-2009, 02:04 PM

They might not do anything about it if they had only one complaint but if they had quite a lot of complaints they might

I don't think it would just be people who lived there that would be able to complain, anyone could

alotoffluff · 27-02-2009, 02:14 PM

it sounds very cruel. i really hope you can report these people. Let us know how you get on. Poor little torts. xx

Rory & Gem · 27-02-2009, 02:19 PM

the thing that worried me the most is that places like this offer buyers advice, going by there advice will end up in lots of misrable pets and large vet bills. thats the scariest thing about these circumstances imo

i will 100% complain when i get home. part of me really wants to get my tort from there to give it a better life, but on the other hand i dont want to take on a imported/ poorly tort i wont be able to make better never having looked after one b4

one of the many, many reasons im getting a tort is so i know with the right care and love i wont have to go thru loosing a pet as its not nice at all. plus there damn cute and really interesting..

27-02-2009, 10:42 AM	#1
Rory & Gem Junior Member Egg Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: northants Posts: 20	health of torts in shop Hello all so I went down to a local pet shop near where i live with my little sister to look at all the torts and stuff, a lot of the little guys there are not being looked after at all. There are some hermans there it doesn’t say how old they are but they are listed as breeding hermans and there between 5-8" long and are pyramided. One of them has a beak that in my opinion must prevent the tort of eating ( its so long it goes past his chin) one of them has white dry patches on his shell. also the baby horsfields and hermans and a few others species look bad too there all kept in vivs with what they describe as grass pellet tortoise feed as bedding or at least it looked like I wad the bedding, some parts of the vivs you could clearly see the wood at the bottom and all the babies look completely over populated in there environment, there are some torts that have white markings on there shells and a few even had red patching on there shells too. One was quite extensive and he/she didn’t move once in the 25 mins I was there even when other torts were climbing over him/her All had dirty water dishes that had clearly not been cleaned but just topped up. Most of which also had what may be poop or bedding in them. All are being fed on cauliflower broccoli and bagged lettuce and the multi coloured pellets, the shop doesn’t sell any form of cuttle fish or limestone flour or vitamin boosting stuff so I doubt they receive any of that either i was going to complain but all the staff there look quite young and i felt as it would fall on cloth ears so to speak. they do have a sign hanging on one of the vivs that says " if you wish to talk about the way we house our animals please feel free to chat to us about it". pretty much everything i have read not to do on this site is being done. is there anywhere I could complain or notify to the bad care these guys are receiving ? Rory

27-02-2009, 11:17 AM	#2
n236kfl Member Incubating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stourport on Severn Posts: 105	i take it that you live in northamptonshire, if so try this to start with http://www.southnorthants.gov.uk/contact_us/471.htm also try the RSPCA __________________ Hermans :daisy Mae,Remus, Hermes, Orion, Aphrodite Graeca Ibera :Prometheus Leopards :Gaia, Artemis, Atlas Horsefields :Rosy, Jim Sulcata :Mable Yeman Chameleon :Olly Bearded Dragons :Harry, Sally (+ lots of babies) Water Dragon :Emerald Green Tree Skink web site www.reptileplanet.co.uk (internet explorer)

27-02-2009, 11:29 AM	#4
sky Senior Member Adult Join Date: May 2008 Location: South Wales Posts: 2,901	Try the Tortoise Trust they may send some information leaflets out. __________________ Kayx 2.7.4 THB 0.3.0 Gpigs 1 grumpy husband

27-02-2009, 11:38 AM	#5
ingisim Member Hatched Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 411	How very upsetting for you and your sister. I agree that the Tortoise Trust would be the best ones to contact about this. The RSPCA don't as a rule know much about reptiles and their needs. __________________ Ingrid Two kids, two cats - Herbie Hermann arrived 28th October 2008

27-02-2009, 11:22 AM	#3
anna m Senior Member Adult Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 4,091	I'm not sure where or who you could complain to (RSPCA?) but this does not sound good care at all. Probably the worst I have heard off actually. Really not a good example for the public either. Others on here will know what to do I'm sure.

27-02-2009, 01:11 PM	#7
Rory & Gem Junior Member Egg Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: northants Posts: 20	great stuff all, i cant access these sites from work so i will do it from home when i get back today just seenign these little guys made me want to buy them all as no one or nothing deserves to live in thoes conditions. hopefully the council will do something about it. thanks

27-02-2009, 02:04 PM	#8
Alan1 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sunny Scotland Posts: 21,512	They might not do anything about it if they had only one complaint but if they had quite a lot of complaints they might I don't think it would just be people who lived there that would be able to complain, anyone could

27-02-2009, 02:14 PM	#9
alotoffluff Senior Member Adult Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: greenwich, london, previously born and brought up in Kent! Posts: 2,127	it sounds very cruel. i really hope you can report these people. Let us know how you get on. Poor little torts. xx

27-02-2009, 02:19 PM	#10
Rory & Gem Junior Member Egg Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: northants Posts: 20	the thing that worried me the most is that places like this offer buyers advice, going by there advice will end up in lots of misrable pets and large vet bills. thats the scariest thing about these circumstances imo i will 100% complain when i get home. part of me really wants to get my tort from there to give it a better life, but on the other hand i dont want to take on a imported/ poorly tort i wont be able to make better never having looked after one b4 one of the many, many reasons im getting a tort is so i know with the right care and love i wont have to go thru loosing a pet as its not nice at all. plus there damn cute and really interesting..

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)