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[anna m]

Originally Posted by billy james

I can understand different cultures eating different things but why dont they kill it before
choping it up If i was there i would of put it out of its misery just before kicking that bloke in the head and spending the night in jail.(or getting the chop my self ).

I agree with you
It's not up to me to say who should eat what. Different culture eat different things. But to cut something up while still alive that's monstrous. It's cruel.
My other half doesn't let me give mealworms or crickets to our hedgehog because they are still alive. (Dried mealies instead)
And the fact that China is running out of turltes or tortoises is their own silly fault. We should definitely ban everyone from sending them any more

[EJ]

This is what I don't understand... the fight to hault a sustainable resource (farmed animals) that stands a good chance of taking the pressure off of natural resources.

Originally Posted by anna m

I agree.
It's not for me to say what people should eat or not but to cut an animal up while still alive is cruel.
The fact that China is running out of turtles and tortoise is their own silly fault

[anna m]

Originally Posted by EJ

This is what I don't understand... the fight to hault a sustainable resource (farmed animals) that stands a good chance of taking the pressure off of natural resources.

Sorry Ed do you mean turtles? From America? I also read that they re in trouble too. But to kill when they are still alive is just too cruel

[EJ]

They are supposedly in trouble but if you read the reports referenced even the experts imply that the numbers are so large that a true assessment of those populations of certain turtles would be near impossible.

As far as cruelty goes... I can't laugh at how groups can insist that if you are going to kill something it should be done humanely... that's just doesn't make sense to me. Even your sentence... 'but to kill when they are still alive'????????

Originally Posted by anna m

Sorry Ed do you mean turtles? From America? I also read that they re in trouble too. But to kill when they are still alive is just too cruel

[Geomyda]

Originally Posted by EJ

They are supposedly in trouble but if you read the reports referenced even the experts imply that the numbers are so large that a true assessment of those populations of certain turtles would be near impossible.

As far as cruelty goes... I can't laugh at how groups can insist that if you are going to kill something it should be done humanely... that's just doesn't make sense to me. Even your sentence... 'but to kill when they are still alive'????????

Ed, you make statements about "experts", can you please provide references? As I would very much like to see, where you get your supposed facts from.
Thanking you in eager anticipation
Regards
Paul

[EJ]

Did you even read the references you cited in this discussion?

I could have misread it but to paraphrase one part that caught my attention... I beilive it stated my comment as is... the government decided to err on the side of caution/popular public opinion and issue a ban until the situation could be further studied...

You know the old saying... the squeeky wheel gets the grease...

Originally Posted by Geomyda

Ed, you make statements about "experts", can you please provide references? As I would very much like to see, where you get your supposed facts from.
Thanking you in eager anticipation
Regards
Paul

[Geomyda]

Originally Posted by EJ

Did you even read the references you cited in this discussion?

I could have misread it but to paraphrase one part that caught my attention... I beilive it stated my comment as is... the government decided to err on the side of caution/popular public opinion and issue a ban until the situation could be further studied...

You know the old saying... the squeeky wheel gets the grease...

Ed,
I read the text of most, if not all of the paper published on this subject, and like many very concerned Biologists and specialist Herpetologists, the recent trends on Wild adult Turtle collection in the USA is a very real threat to the Wild population.
The fact that signatories to the document includes most, if not all of the recognised experts in this field suggests too me that it is right to be worried!
Your goverment quite rightly listened to the advice and have acted which I for one applaud.
If thats what you mean by "the squeaky wheel", I suggest it will need loads of grease!

[EJ]

I think you said this before... but did I misread what I stated?

Statistics is a wonderful thing... it is ambiguous by nature... It can be sqewed to support almost any point.

Some might wonder what I'm going on about... restrictions... even worse... banning.

... but I notice a popular UK based group that seems to have established itself as a good source of wild caught tortoises... all in the name of conservation.

I've said this for years on end... I've got mine.

Originally Posted by Geomyda

Ed,
I read the text of most, if not all of the paper published on this subject, and like many very concerned Biologists and specialist Herpetologists, the recent trends on Wild adult Turtle collection in the USA is a very real threat to the Wild population.
The fact that signatories to the document includes most, if not all of the recognised experts in this field suggests too me that it is right to be worried!
Your goverment quite rightly listened to the advice and have acted which I for one applaud.
If thats what you mean by "the squeaky wheel", I suggest it will need loads of grease!

[x.froggy.x]

I read the bit at the begining but as soon as it said about the tortoises and turtles being slaughtered whilest alive. I had to turn it off asap. Because i would of ended up being sick and breaking my heart crying!

[beckyzazou]

There is no excuse for chopping something up whilst alive, regardless of your culture or origins; whether it be turtle, cat, dog, insect, worm .. the list goes on.

Hunting with dogs was historically a large part of the rural Uk's way of life. However, since the ban has been brought in packs have adapted to hunting artifical scents. This has not had any impact upon the "social" side of this and as far as I know there is not one pack of hounds that has folded as a direct consequence to this. There was uproar in the rural walks of life and fears that hounds and horses would be slaughtered in their hundreds because they would not be able to adapt, but this has not happened. Don't forget that hunting like the food trade is employment for many and not just a hobby. I understand there may be occasions were the law is broken, but hopefully these occasions will be dealt with appropriately.

Many MP's, members of the Royal Family and others that have influence on the laws that are passed had very strong connections with Hunts in the South particularly, however this did not affect the law being changed and implemented. This is taken the topic down a slightly different road. However, I do believe that culture can change and this is an example of the same. I for one, see first hand the damage that foxes do to wildlife and other animals. Not that I support hunting with dogs, but I can understand that it has been used as a vermin control method for many hundreds of years. Much like some humans foxes often kill for killings sake, one of the very few animals that do this. However, that is mother nature. Human killing instict often comes from inner evil.

The governments/organisations in Asia could enforce change and this would not have a detrimental effect on hunger. The Chinese would still eat and not starve.

One of the differences between hunting with dogs and the turtle trade in Asia is that a fox or a hare has a good chance of escape. However, a turtle has far less chance and capture rates will be far exceed escaping rates.