aldabra- advice on avoiding scams

[EJ]

Why, thank you junior... I think I mentioned that.

Originally Posted by swad1000

http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.shtml

You need to scroll down a way.

Alltestudindae species are Cites two, unless listed under Cites one.

[swad1000]

You mean like was mentioned way back at the begining of the thread, or did you forget in your old age?

You'll get there one day Ed, do keep plugging away.

[EJ]

Thanks for the advice junior. One day... I just might make it.

Originally Posted by swad1000

You mean like was mentioned way back at the begining of the thread, or did you forget in your old age?

You'll get there one day Ed, do keep plugging away.

[andy1]

As i understand it !!

If bringing a citesII animall into the uk then it is advisable "as per telephone call to the cites helpline" to get proof that the animal was captive bred in the EU or if it was originally imported into the EU then to have copies of the original import certificates or numbers, in other words " cover your ar-e's as you never know when you will need to prove the provedance of said animal"

Really that is a lesson for all of us who have citesII animals, keep records and addresses of all animals you acquire.

Regards Andy

[EJ]

It's sad that in todays day and age you are guilty until proven innocent... The advice given is perfect.

Originally Posted by andy1

As i understand it !!

If bringing a citesII animall into the uk then it is advisable "as per telephone call to the cites helpline" to get proof that the animal was captive bred in the EU or if it was originally imported into the EU then to have copies of the original import certificates or numbers, in other words " cover your ar-e's as you never know when you will need to prove the provedance of said animal"

Really that is a lesson for all of us who have citesII animals, keep records and addresses of all animals you acquire.

Regards Andy

[fats]

I agree with that Andy but CITES are a tricky bunch, they go on to say that pets are exempt and that you don't need any paperwork to own a CITES II specimen as a pet. However if in the future you have to sell it (not an unreasonable ask as they would probably outlive you) then you will have trouble without the original paperwork, you'd also have trouble selling the babies without being able to prove the origin of the parents. Plus CITES do swap animals about occasionally between appendices.

One other thing I forgot to mention is that bringing any animal into the UK requires an animal health certificate (this can be self certified) but that is what customs will look for if they stop you.

[andy1]

fats

Animals which don’t need a health certificate

3. The animals listed below have no specific requirements for EU trade:

* Invertebrates* (includes insects, spiders and molluscs);
* Amphibians (includes salamanders, frogs and toads);
* Reptiles (lizards, snakes and crocodiles).

These animals can be imported with a self-certificate from the owner. The certificate must state that the animals, at the time of dispatch, show no obvious signs of disease and that the holding of origin was not subject to any animal health restrictions.

* Many invertebrates have the potential to be serious plant pests in Europe, and are therefore prohibited under plant health rules. A summary is available on the Defra website.

Andy

[fats]

hmmmm, it is very confusing, someone needs to make a huge flow chart to follow which covers all the options and tells you what you need to do.

[themayneman]

Now that's a good idea Fats! Cheers Mate, Gary