help with my hermann

[ONielsen]

"This review is from: Russian Tortoises (Complete Herp Care Series) (Paperback)
Having kept and succesfully bred Russian Tortoises for a number of years, I found the advice in this book to be rather poor and misleading and could lead to alot of problems with tortoises if the advice is followed, not I book I would recommend. "

Originally Posted by EJ

You've got to wonder what kind of advice you are getting when one of the first statements is that if you can't house a tortoise outdoors... don't get one.

Here's a little more objective source of information that you might find useful. It was written for Russian tortoises but it covers all Testudo...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Russian-Tort.../dp/0793828821

[EJ]

I love it when information is taken out of context.

I'm sure the OP is smart enough to read the objective reviews and the opinions of those on this forum who have actually read the book.

You can't deny that if the book is in it's 3rd or 4th printing... it can't be all bad.

Again... it is an objective presentation on tortoise keeping and is not intended to sway a tortoise keeper in any one direction. All information is presented in an objective fashion and the keeper can decide which route to take.

...and to be fair...

This is another review of the same book...
if your interested in tortoises or have one then this book is well worth it.it has tons detail & images & its basic no waffle this book focuses on russian tortoise species only.horsfield,hermani`s & more.i have one & i often turn to this book when i need to.

I hope the op doesn't get scared off by this... but politics is a HUGE part of tortoise keeping.

[NATURALIS]

this thread started by the OP asking for help with Hermanns tortoise , so just for once carn't we get back on topic 'HERMANN'S TORTOISE

[EJ]

Congratulations on your new Mod status.

Last time I looked Hermanns are still classed as TESTUDO hermanni. The book I mentioned covers all Testudo. It presents nice, friendly, objective, political free information to tortoise keeping while focusing on all Testudo... which includes Hermanns tortoises... unless I missed the last taxonomic change.

I've been trying to keep it on track... but for some reason I keep getting these snipes.

I really hope the OP is not hiding under the bed after all this...

Originally Posted by red foot marg

this thread started by the OP asking for help with Hermanns tortoise , so just for once carn't we get back on topic 'HERMANN'S TORTOISE

[NATURALIS]

horsfield's arn't Hermann's , the OP asked about HERMANN'S not about paperback's on Horsfield's . Yet again another thread sidetracked to suit your agenda , the OP has given up with this thread and started another , not that you would have noticed.

[EJ]

They have that choice... The information is here or there. Why would you even point that out to me unless...

I do have an agenda... to present all the information I can on tortoise keeping and not try to force feed any new keeper one single point of view... my bad.

Again... Hermanns are Testudo... The book is on Testudo... read the title carefully... try not to miss ALLLLLLL the information and only pick out what you choose.

Btw... notice the time stamps on the threads.

Originally Posted by red foot marg

horsfield's arn't Hermann's , the OP asked about HERMANN'S not about paperback's on Horsfield's . Yet again another thread sidetracked to suit your agenda , the OP has given up with this thread and started another , not that you would have noticed.

[NATURALIS]

I've never force feed any one view point unlike other's , i've given info on the best book's available ie: Wolfgang , Vetter and Andy highfield to name few , these are people that's studied tortoise's in there natural environment over many year's , so have first hand invaluble knowledge ( in my opinion ) offer the best advice available today on the subject , amen.

[EJ]

To be clear... a plant based diet is the only way to go. That is a single point of view... the one you seem to be presenting...

My point... A plant based diet is preferable if all the nutritional bases are covered... pellets are a new alternative that takes out all of the guesswork in tortoise nutrition... That covers all the currently available tortoise nutrition information... one is not better than the other... both have pitfalls... no force feeding here.

While studying tortoises in the wild provides a little insight it does just that... provides insight. It does not provide the best way to keep them in captivity. Also... A couple of weeks a year is not really an extensive study.

...and you're allowed to express that opinion... as I am allowed to express mine.

Originally Posted by red foot marg

I've never force feed any one view point unlike other's , i've given info on the best book's available ie: Wolfgang , Vetter and Andy highfield to name few , these are people that's studied tortoise's in there natural environment over many year's , so have first hand invaluble knowledge ( in my opinion ) offer the best advice available today on the subject , amen.

[NATURALIS]

Originally Posted by EJ

To be clear... a plant based diet is the only way to go. That is a single point of view... the one you seem to be presenting...

My point... A plant based diet is preferable if all the nutritional bases are covered... pellets are a new alternative that takes out all of the guesswork in tortoise nutrition... That covers all the currently available tortoise nutrition information... one is not better than the other... both have pitfalls... no force feeding here.

While studying tortoises in the wild provides a little insight it does just that... provides insight. It does not provide the best way to keep them in captivity. Also... A couple of weeks a year is not really an extensive study.

...and you're allowed to express that opinion... as I am allowed to express mine.

ok then can you tell me what nutritional diet a tortoise need's ?

[EJ]

Would you like a copy of that paper?

It pretty much spells out what I've been saying all along... nobody really knows. We go for the best guess. This can be accomplished either by feeding a huge variety of plants or a well researched selected variety of plants where the nutritional value of each species is known and not duplicated or a well formulated pelleted diet which contains as many nutrients as possible in a relatively good ratio. Can you detect a pattern to this statement?

Originally Posted by red foot marg

ok then can you tell me what nutritional diet a tortoise need's ?