What Subspecies Are My Hermanns

26-09-2012, 09:42 PM

Heyy all!

I have a first question concerning subspecies. As I want to buy a male, at least, we are led to believe we have 4 females already, it's important we know the correct subspecies.
Anyway, I've made pictures from them, regrettable with a low life mobile camera, as we don't have a real camera

If you want/need/like better pictures, that can be arranged. I will find a way

I think we have 4 boettgeri's. But I'm no expert in turtles.
I've read the first post with care and felt they look the most similar to them.

Turtle "2" is about a year old,
Turtle "1" and "4" are likely two years and,
Turtle "3" is likely three years.
We have a doubt about the age of "4", she could be 3 as well.

If you say/feel otherwise about age, sex or subspecies, let me know!
I wish to be on spot with these fellows.

Ow, and ofcourse! Thanks in advance

I'd appreciate the effort

Our little ones

The big bad bullies... nah

**egyptiandan64** · 27-09-2012, 12:02 AM

#1 possible Female, Testudo hermanni boettgeri
#2 possible Male, T. h. boettgeri
#3 possible Female, T. h. boettgeri
#4 possible Female, T. h. boettgeri

Danny

Easter Bunny · 27-09-2012, 12:10 AM

I would have guessed the same as Danny x

27-09-2012, 12:36 PM

Thank you Danny and LYNNEE.

They were sold to us as being hermanni hermanni, but reading on the internet brought me a lot of doubt, as they are much rarer.

Number #2 is the youngest and littlest, by far. And as far as I know, a bigger tail size and a "hollowed out" (in lack of better English from my side) instead of smooth belly are related to male specimen. Correct?

I'm not experienced enough to say if the tail is slightly bigger than usual as I have no comparison. The belly on the otherhand is as smooth as with the others.

Watermelon · 27-09-2012, 09:24 PM

I wouldve gone with boetgerris because they have the extra little scute at the top of their legs???

Is that right Danny?

I'm trying to learn!

**egyptiandan64** · 27-09-2012, 11:36 PM

Thats right Soph, but some T.h.hercegovinensis have it also. Just that in T.h.hercegovinensis it's short and squat and in T.h.boettgeri it's long and skinny.

Danny

**Alan1** · 28-09-2012, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MnoW

Number #2 is the youngest and littlest, by far. And as far as I know, a bigger tail size and a "hollowed out" (in lack of better English from my side) instead of smooth belly are related to male specimen. Correct?

A bigger tail size relates to male but the 'hollowed out belly' I think relates to female, at least it does with my females.

Dan will know

27-09-2012, 11:36 PM	#6
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	Thats right Soph, but some T.h.hercegovinensis have it also. Just that in T.h.hercegovinensis it's short and squat and in T.h.boettgeri it's long and skinny. Danny __________________

26-09-2012, 09:42 PM	#1
MnoW Guest Posts: n/a	What Subspecies Are My Hermanns Heyy all! I have a first question concerning subspecies. As I want to buy a male, at least, we are led to believe we have 4 females already, it's important we know the correct subspecies. Anyway, I've made pictures from them, regrettable with a low life mobile camera, as we don't have a real camera If you want/need/like better pictures, that can be arranged. I will find a way I think we have 4 boettgeri's. But I'm no expert in turtles. I've read the first post with care and felt they look the most similar to them. Turtle "2" is about a year old, Turtle "1" and "4" are likely two years and, Turtle "3" is likely three years. We have a doubt about the age of "4", she could be 3 as well. If you say/feel otherwise about age, sex or subspecies, let me know! I wish to be on spot with these fellows. Ow, and ofcourse! Thanks in advance I'd appreciate the effort Our little ones The big bad bullies... nah

27-09-2012, 12:02 AM	#2
egyptiandan64 Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14,171	#1 possible Female, Testudo hermanni boettgeri #2 possible Male, T. h. boettgeri #3 possible Female, T. h. boettgeri #4 possible Female, T. h. boettgeri Danny __________________

27-09-2012, 12:10 AM	#3
Easter Bunny Senior Member Adult Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kent Posts: 5,337	I would have guessed the same as Danny x __________________ Lynne x

27-09-2012, 12:36 PM	#4
MnoW Guest Posts: n/a	Thank you Danny and LYNNEE. They were sold to us as being hermanni hermanni, but reading on the internet brought me a lot of doubt, as they are much rarer. Number #2 is the youngest and littlest, by far. And as far as I know, a bigger tail size and a "hollowed out" (in lack of better English from my side) instead of smooth belly are related to male specimen. Correct? I'm not experienced enough to say if the tail is slightly bigger than usual as I have no comparison. The belly on the otherhand is as smooth as with the others.

27-09-2012, 09:24 PM	#5
Watermelon Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,085	I wouldve gone with boetgerris because they have the extra little scute at the top of their legs??? Is that right Danny? I'm trying to learn!

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